Locke:
If you use the cap origin as evidence, then MC must come before SS.
i don't know what hapenned here. I have never used the cap origin as evidence and i don't even really think it matters all that much. I always figured that Ezlo just happened to be the cap in that game. It's just that everyone else seems to think it is the origin of the cap, yet still place it after SS. it's always confused me, but i figured someone had an explanation, or no-one would do that. I probably should never have mentioned it. I don't actually believe the cap origin stuff and SS is definitely first.
LoZ does have a backstory that you're overlooking: LttP. (The Japanese translation also says something to the effect of LttP taking place long before Link [from LoZ] embarks on his adventure.)
I know it has A backstory, but i didn't know there was that strong a link between LttP then LoZ. I'll try to think of something.
This makes no sense after AoL. Ganon's dead, and the Triforce is in the hands of the Kingdom. (After reading the Triforce section of your post, I see you believe it was sent to the SR after the with in AoL. I'll retract my statement, for now.)
I swear i've read that the triforce goes back to the sacred realm after each use of its wish. I'll try to find it again and show it here.
Not as a "gift". I posted my theory in another thread, about Link coming back in time with the ToC and the other pieces distributing themselves accordingly (this was actually confirmed in the Hyrule Historia, I think).
I thought this could happen, but i can't remember what i thought next to rule it out. It does make perfect sense, but TheGermanLegend's idea about TP ganon being a bunshin, given the ToP by OoT ganon from the sacred realm after being sealed there by OoT link+sages both fits the 'divine prank' and the state of the triforce criteria better, so i'll keep the 'triforce glitch', as i like to call it, on the side for now.
1. How does Ganon being defeated twice by Link not contradict that he went unchallenged until being sealed by the Gods?
correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think the intro to WW specifically says what happened to ganon, just that the people prayed to the gods. I don't think it says that
they flooded Hyrule. It could just as easily have been that the gods made it so that LttP link was born then to defeat ganon, answering the people's prayers.
2. Why is there no mention of a flood in OoX/LA? Just because there's water in LA doesn't mean there was a flood. The manual simply states that he was on a journey across the sea, home to Hyrule (which is supposedly still there, not underwater).
I haven't played OoX (LA's sequel), so i don't know, but i've been told that OoX led to a flood in the games' conclusion, which is why LA is in water. I haven't heard until now that he was just sailing home.
In addition to the issues with the flood, we have Ganon and the Triforce again. Ganon's dead in OoX, while WW starts off with him escaping the Gods' flood seal.
Is LttP/OoX ganon specified as the same one? If not, the OoX ganon could be an attempted revival of TP ganon.
He's also supposedly had the ToP since being defeated by the HoT (in OoT),
I believe that the ToP, or whatever bit of it was in TP ganon went back to OoT ganon (still trapped in the sacred realm) after TP bunshin ganon died, as its actual holder.
and the ToC is still scattered in eight pieces across old Hyrule, which happened when the HoT left on his adventure.
:O oh! Having not played WW, i didn't know this. Is it specified that the ToC is as from OoT?
It's never placed in the castle, but it is placed in the ToT a lot, which the chamber in WW greatly resembles. (There's another active thread that deals with this discussion.)
Oh, someone said the MS was in hyrule castle at the beginnning of WW, can't remember who. If it's in the ToT, then it fits fine.
Small detail, it's in Hyrule Castle in OoX.
Oh. I read somewhere it was at the top of the pyramid in the sacred realm from LttP. Not sure how to explain this.
"Never theorize before you have data. Invariably, you end up twisting facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."
— Sherlock Holmes
If the facts don't line up, maybe it's the theory that's wrong...
I know. I practically live by this quote, it's just hard for me to get OoX, FSA, WW anywhere, so i can't get the facts, which is why this thread has been immensely helpful. I'm probably going to scrap the timeline and start anew, given that so much is being pulled apart.
ToP: Remains with Ganon after he was sealed in the SR, and later in the flood seal.
ToW: Split in two. One passed down through Zelda's descendants (to Tetra), one stayed with Daphnes.
ToC: Split in eight and scattered across Hyrule when the Hero of Time left the AT. The Hero of Winds must retrieve the pieces from the bottom of the ocean.
Yeah, the triforce thing gets really screwed up in my timeline. I'll scrap it and make a new one.
After so much too, but everything i've learnt should help a lot with a new one.
Satsy:
FS/FSA contain direct connections to MC so should not be assumed to happen after the flood.
Why, just because they have the same sword and Vaati. There's no way to tell how long passed between MC and FS (or is there someting i've missed?)
FSA also contains a Ganon (who is sealed at the end), and a connection to the Triforce. There's a neat little sequence after you beat the game in Hyrule Castle where Zelda watches certain proceedings before passing under an arch with the Triforce on which glows, suggesting it has importance to the next game/game in that line.
Trifore in FSA?
I'm going to get everything written out for each game before piecing them together.
I'm glad to see good discussion going on.
Me too
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Locke 2:
It seems to me like you're stuck on the people of New Hyrule moving back to the location of old Hyrule. That's not what I (or the OP, I think) am suggesting at all. Both locations would progress independently, potentially completely unaware of each other. Seeing knowledge/legends appear in the old location by no means requires that knowledge to have been passed to New Hyrule. I think the the OP is claiming is that ST might as well not exist, as far as FS/FSA is concerned.
Yes, thank you for clearing that up.
General:
I'll get some stuff together and post it over the weekend. I won't put all the games in, so we can work together to see where each game goes, to avoid several games' placings being picked at all at once.
Thank you everyone so far for everything you've told me; it's been a great help for the games i haven't played. I couldn't do this without you guys.
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