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I think this is huge thing. Whatever the picture will look like, doesn't matter as far as the picture isn't an artist rendering. When the pic is based on real data, it offers new real information. Considering that the group has announced that they have groundbreaking news, it means they actually have something meaningful information. It's fashionating to get information about black holes as understanding them better helps us to understand better what kind of is this universe is we are living in
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I wait until the data is out, paper is peer reviewed and published in some respected scientific journal. We have no other way to make sure if it's fake or not but to trust the scientific community itself. Community filters rubbish hopefully
I'm a scientist so science and all nerd stuff is interesting
I'm a scientist so science and all nerd stuff is interesting
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The conference is now over, and the Event Horizon telescope project has released the first ever photo of a black hole to ever be captured in human history.
This efforts of this project confirm not only that this back hole exists, but also that the predictions scientists have made on how black holes would look are correct.
The bright light you see surrounding the shadow of the hole is matter rotating around the the black hole. Unfortunately we do not yet have data to confirm how fast this matter is orbiting the black hole, but we do know that it orbits clockwise from the perspective of a person looking up at the sky.
The structure and research involved in the Event Horizon Telescope is going to used to image further celestial bodies in the future. However were not sure when that further work will be completed as the speakers at the conference have confirmed that as soon as they saw the data of this black hole converging into an image they focused all their efforts in that.
I know we know black holes are a thing and I know this is a big deal for scientists to definitively prove that their maths is correct but for me...
This is an image of an absolute. This is a picture of true darkness and ot is pretty damn scary no longer being able to deny that such a thing truly exists.
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Most truthfully it is matters such as these that strains one's belief and hope in the academicians and those lofty chairs of science whose proclamations daily appear more and more like that they would seek to ridicule. And of course, their cheerleaders in the press are of no better constitution. Firstly, we must address the most fundamental issue here, that is, this being a "photograph" of a black hole. This is a subtle lie in its own right, for this is not an image taken optically with a telescope; what we see is indeed the product of signal processing data from radio "telescopes" positioned around the Earth, and compositing an image based on their acquired data, which is then processed with algorithms and made to show in visible to our eyes, what is claimed as a black hole. All of this naturally is incredibly absurd, and beyond even the nominal deception, it is further dishonest to claim with any degree of certitude that we are looking at any describable object whatsoever.
Indeed, the "infallible" proclamations of modern science have reached a point where one must truly ask if there is even an honest endeavor being had anymore, for the compounding wrongness and deception knows no bounds, and is so self-assured that it need not reflect on its possible errors, ever. We may even go beyond the above, and assault the very core of this issue, that being the concept of "black holes" themselves, which are a problematic construct of theoretical physics constantly at odds with both observed reality, and the field theories. General Relativity, for instance, itself does not predict the kind of black holes claimed to exist today; and indeed the idea of jet streams emitting from them is not predicted by it. Furthermore, there are profound issues with the concept of the black hole "singularity", being, in essence, that such is a result of an undefined in the theory. It is a division by zero, and therefore, undefined. The entire framework of modern black hole theory is, in itself, based on corruptions and very little to do with GR or the physics it claims heritage to. Take for instance, the so-called Schwarzschild Solution, an integral part of the physics of black holes. This is indeed, not a "solution" by Schwarzschild himself, but rather a later corruption by David Hilbert, in his "solving" of the equation. (See the original here). There is a fundamental problem in the mathematics supposedly underlying black holes in the current paradigm, much of it stemming from fundamentally flawed work and undefined solutions. For more on this, see here
Turning to the website for the EHT, we quickly find yet another absurdity:
One must verily question how something which can emit no light might cast a shadow! Sadly, it is this particular brand of comical unawareness pervading the world today. No matter how many contradictory things may fill the halls of academia, they must be not only accepted but fiercely defended. I suppose our esteemed scientists really do believe six impossible things before their breakfast.
It is true also that we may go even beyond these issues, and look at the very proposition that "black hole" lie at the center of galaxies, and are their engine. This is also absurd (and unproven) on many levels, but most basely on the fact that what is actually observed when galaxies are imaged and properly processed, is the evidence of massive electromagnetic fields, with streams of synchrotron radiation emitting from their centers (the "jets" of black holes). Indeed, electrical currents of potentials unfathomable to us on Earth pervade the galaxies of the universe, and the hearts of galaxies are full of the brightest, hottest plasma, the true prima materia of the Universe. Many of the forms that we observe in the universe, of galaxies in particular, imply plasma pinches, which also account for what is observed as the supposed "corona" of black holes.
One may also explore the wonderful works of Hannes Alfven and Kristian Birkeland, whose researches have greatly illuminated many mysteries of the universe for us.
Indeed, the "infallible" proclamations of modern science have reached a point where one must truly ask if there is even an honest endeavor being had anymore, for the compounding wrongness and deception knows no bounds, and is so self-assured that it need not reflect on its possible errors, ever. We may even go beyond the above, and assault the very core of this issue, that being the concept of "black holes" themselves, which are a problematic construct of theoretical physics constantly at odds with both observed reality, and the field theories. General Relativity, for instance, itself does not predict the kind of black holes claimed to exist today; and indeed the idea of jet streams emitting from them is not predicted by it. Furthermore, there are profound issues with the concept of the black hole "singularity", being, in essence, that such is a result of an undefined in the theory. It is a division by zero, and therefore, undefined. The entire framework of modern black hole theory is, in itself, based on corruptions and very little to do with GR or the physics it claims heritage to. Take for instance, the so-called Schwarzschild Solution, an integral part of the physics of black holes. This is indeed, not a "solution" by Schwarzschild himself, but rather a later corruption by David Hilbert, in his "solving" of the equation. (See the original here). There is a fundamental problem in the mathematics supposedly underlying black holes in the current paradigm, much of it stemming from fundamentally flawed work and undefined solutions. For more on this, see here
Turning to the website for the EHT, we quickly find yet another absurdity:
One must verily question how something which can emit no light might cast a shadow! Sadly, it is this particular brand of comical unawareness pervading the world today. No matter how many contradictory things may fill the halls of academia, they must be not only accepted but fiercely defended. I suppose our esteemed scientists really do believe six impossible things before their breakfast.
It is true also that we may go even beyond these issues, and look at the very proposition that "black hole" lie at the center of galaxies, and are their engine. This is also absurd (and unproven) on many levels, but most basely on the fact that what is actually observed when galaxies are imaged and properly processed, is the evidence of massive electromagnetic fields, with streams of synchrotron radiation emitting from their centers (the "jets" of black holes). Indeed, electrical currents of potentials unfathomable to us on Earth pervade the galaxies of the universe, and the hearts of galaxies are full of the brightest, hottest plasma, the true prima materia of the Universe. Many of the forms that we observe in the universe, of galaxies in particular, imply plasma pinches, which also account for what is observed as the supposed "corona" of black holes.
One may also explore the wonderful works of Hannes Alfven and Kristian Birkeland, whose researches have greatly illuminated many mysteries of the universe for us.