- Dec 19, 2011
- Where the forest meets the sea
I like Miyamotos foreword. But I'm not enough of a Zelda fan to care about all the nooks and crannies. I just want to play Zelda.
Personaly, I strongly believe the timeline and some connections between games that were stated in the Hyrule Historia book that was released in Japan a couple of weeks ago are false. I have a set group of reasons of why the timeline and some of the connections stated in this book are false. Also, be aware there are several spoilers in this post. Read at your own risk.
1) The Triple Spilt- The timelines all of us zelda fans have created over the years have been full of trying to connect things that HAPPENED in the games to what happened in other games. This is how the timeline spilt was created. We look at the ending of OoT, and see Link defeat Ganon and seal him in the Sacred Realm. Alright, so this is one side of the timeline. All of a sudden, Princess Zelda decides to send Link back in time so he can relive his childhood. The last scene of OoT is Link going to Princess Zelda as a child. We do not know what happened when he went to see Zelda at the time of the games release. He could have turned evil and went to kill her. Who knew? However, upon the release of Twilight Princess, we see that Ganondorf was sent to be executed by the sages. Now fans have made the connection between the two and have suggested that Link told Princess Zelda what Ganondorf was going to do, and thus she sent Ganondorf to be executed. Alright, we now have the timeline spilt. What? No way! Wow that's a surprise. I just read in this Hyrule Historia book that while we weren't looking during the game, Link died. :shake: Going back to the first sentence of this paragraph, the timeline is based on things that HAPPENED in the games, not what can be guessed to happen in games. This is why the timeline does not spilt into three, it remains spilt into two.
2) Placement of Four Swords Adventure- For those of you who have played Four Swords Adventure, and maybe for those who have heard about it, you know that in this game, Ganon teams up with Vaati to try and create Darkness that will spread the land. This game had a truly epic ending, in which you had to take down the two main enemies of the Zelda series back-to-back. We learn that this game is a sequel to Four Swords, so the inclusion of Vaati is reasoned. In the Hyrule Historia book, the placement of Four Swords Adventures is after Twilight Princess in the child timeline. Now, the placement of it behind Twilight Princess can be reasoned, so that is not my problem. My problem with is what's after it in the timeline. Guess what? It ends the childs timeline. This is quite impossible. In Four Swords Adventures, Link learns that Ganon acquired The Trident, an item that is said to fill its holder with evil power. It quite obviously did this to Ganondorf, giving him even more evil power then he already had. However, the Trident was said to do something else to Ganondorf. Once Ganondorf in his human form grabbed the Trident, he turned into Ganon, and as long as he had the Trident, he would remain in his Ganon form. In most of the games Ganon is featured in, he is in his Ganon form, and has this Trident. This means these games must come after Four Swords Adventures. Examples of games where Ganon is in his Ganon form and has The Trident would be A Link to the Past, Oracle of Ages, and Oracle of Seasons. Also, if you have ever seen artwork of Ganon from the original Legend of Zelda, he is drawn with The Trident. Yes these could be coincidences, but in creating the perfect timeline, you have to go with whatever you see. I see Ganon getting the Trident in Four Swords Adventures, and then having it in other games. :nod: This is why Four Swords Adventures has to come before most notably A Link to the Past and the Oracle games, and it cannot end the child timeline. To add one more point to why Four Swords Adventures in falsely placed, in the Hyrule Historia timeline grid, it says "Ganondorf reincarnated" beside Four Swords Adventures. However, I do not remember any part in that game where it said Ganondorf was sealed and broke free. *This final sentence I literally made up while I was typing, (about the Ganondorf reincarnated) so if you remember that in the game it did say he broke free of a seal or someone along those lines, feel free to post below about it*
3) Four Sword Trilogy- The Four Sword Trilogy is the three games that feature the Four Sword. Fours Swords, Four Swords Adventures, and The Minish Cap are the three games. Vaati is the main enemy is all of these three games; however sharing a co-main enemy with Ganon in Four Swords Adventures. Anyways, we know the timeline order of these games because of they seem to fit so perfectly with each other. The Minish Cap was the creation of the Four Sword, and the first seal of Vaati in it. Following it is Four Swords, where Vaati breaks free, and Link seals him in the Four Sword again. Last but not least is Four Swords Adventure, where Link finally kills Vaati instead of sealing him away, but Link has to seal Ganon in the Four Sword this time. Now, in the Hyrule Historia's timeline, these three games are separated from each other. Now, that is clearly not right on its own, considering that the Link from Four Swords and the Link from Four Swords Adventures are clearly the same Link, they have to go after each other in the timeline. My evidence of the fact that there are the same Link is that in Four Swords Adventures, the game begins with Zelda feeling like the seal on Vaati has been weakened. She decides to go check it out, and guess who she decides is a good idea to join her? Link. This is clearly telling us that Zelda already knows Link, and how do most Zeldas from the zelda series know Link? Well, its because most of the time Link saved them. Now, if this is the cause, it is hinting that this Link saved Zelda at one point or another. Hey, remember in the prequel to this game, Four Swords, didn't Link save Zelda? This is clearly telling us that the Four Swords Adventures Link was the one that sealed him in the first place, and this is why Zelda already knows who he is. It makes sense complete sense. Back to my thought, if they are the same Link, then that means they cannot be separeted in the timeline by three games and possibly thousands of years! They have to come next to each other. Period.
4) Hero's Shade- Earlier today, ZD posted a newpost about a couple of lines of text that had been translated from the Hyrule Historia book. These lines basically summarize the end of the speculation on the Hero's Shade from Twilight Princess being Link from OoT. It has been confirmed by this book to be true. In Twilight Princess, the Hero's Shade will teach Link seven sword moves that are titled, "The Seven Hidden Skills". Hidden could refer to be lost in time, or completely new moves created by the Hero's Shade himself. Either way, the Hero's Shade clearly needs to have been able to master these skills himself. Now, think to yourself. Did the Link from Ocarina of Time ever do any of the seven Hidden Skills? Let's go through them. 1) Ending Blow- No 2) Shield Bash- No 3) Back Slice- No 4) Helm Spiltter- No 5) Mortal Draw- No 6) Jump Strike- No 7) Great Spin Attack- Arguable. The OoT Link did none of the seven hidden skills. Yes it is possible that he learned them while searching for Navi in the forest, but that cannot be proven. However, what can be proven and has been seen with every zelda fans own eyes is the fact that the Link from Skyward Sword does two of these seven Hidden Skills, the Ending Bloe and the Shield Bash. It is clearly more likely that the Hero's Shade is Skyward Sword's Link apart from OoT's Link.
Overall, I strongly believe this book does not reveal the true zelda timeline or has any fact to it at all. One thing you have to remember about the world we live in today is that the main goal for everybody whenever they are making something that can be sold is to make money. Clearly by putting in there variation of the timeline and putting it in a nice book with official artwork clearly is just a way to make money, and not to show the real zelda timeline. If Nintendo wanted to reveal the real zelda timeline, I believe they would do it with honour. I believe they would announce it, and not sell it. I also believe they would translate it to every language in this world so that everybody could read it without having translation doubts. This is what I believe would happen if the real zelda timeline was revealed; not by a book.
ok...where can i get this book at? ive looked everywhere!
3. I always presumed the MC Link is the FS Link, in MC he is best freinds with Zelda and would be informed if anything happend in otherwords were in FS she tells him of danger. And in FSA its states "Long Ago there was a wind sorcorer named vaati," wich would mean a legend has been passed down of Vaati, wich means FSA could not be a sequel to FS, or they would say, Vaati has been yet again released, but it did say that first he was sealed once and a temple was built around him, and then he was released again kidnapped Zeldas freind Link saved her, oviously a reference to FS, then everybody thought there was peace, until.... wich means peace from Vaai i would presume not Ganondorf.
MC and FS are separated by a great amount of time, sufficient for the "hero" to become legend.Zelda in Four Swords said:Legends say that when mighty Vaati
attacked, a hero arose and saved the
people from destruction. They go on to
say that by using this sword, the one
was as four, and the four combined
their strength! Let's check the seal...
This hasn't happened in any game. It's describing an event that takes place long before FS (but after MC).Long ago in the inner reaches of Hyrule, an evil wind sorcerer known as
Vaati began kidnapping beautiful young maidens, one after another.
Note how it's "a brave young warrior", "the young lad", "these four beings", and "the wanderer".Nobody could stop Vaati, and the people of Hyrule despaired. Then, a brave
young warrior carrying only a single sword appeared.
When the young lad took out his sword, he split into four separate
beings. The legends say that these four beings worked as one
and defeated Vaati.
The wanderer, united once again, imprisoned
Vaati deep in Hyrule and sealed the
prison with his own sword. This place
became known as the Realm of the
Now, instead of Maidens, it's Zelda. Instead of an arbitrary hero, it's "a young boy named Link". This is FS.After that, a long time passed.
Then, the wind sorcerer Vaati broke out of his prison and then snatched
Princess Zelda of Hyrule.
Zelda's childhood friend, a young boy named Link, claimed the strange
power of the Four Sword and fought Vaati fiercely. In the end, he succeeded
in sealing Vaati away once again.
It doesn't mention the passage of time. Also, recall that this is FSA's manual, referring to FS-Link by name. It's the same character in both games.And so, peace was restored to Hyrule once again.
Or so everyone thought...