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Brave Knight of Truth
If she had that role, than she would have came out clean when Pancake targeted her.
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I misinterpreted what you said.
Ignore this post.
If she had that role, than she would have came out clean when Pancake targeted her.
Here is EXACTLY what I said about your FoS:Heroine, flipped out over an FOS,
I guess saying that I think something is strange now counts as flipping out over it. The rest of that post has already been discussed by me in several different posts, so I think this discussion is over on my behalf. You've failed to respond to my own questions about what my motivation for any of this would be.First of all, Keyshe, you seem to be overly aggressive and manipulative in this game. I think it's strange that you FoS'd me simply because I didn't respond to you. A simply reminder might have been nice; I really didn't intend to ignore you. In fact, I skimmed your post and when I saw Viral saying that he agreed with Keyshe, I thought that responding to him would suffice.
Absolutely nothing, as far as I know. I really can't think of anything that I, as Mafia or Town, would gain by changing your words. So why do you keep saying I did? In fact, that was MY question to YOU, about the lying issue. Which, again, you never answered.Keyshe said:@Heroine what do you, or the town, gain by misquoting me, and altering the context of what my posts are even talking about?
Not to mention this:And my biggest problem with your reasoning: why on earth would I lie about having addressed the issue before when I'm CLEARLY bringing it up again with the explanation of not spotting it before? Don't you think I'd know someone would CATCH something that obvious? I don't see why this is still scummy, or skirting suspicion, or whatever. I did my best to answer your questions there, and if it wasn't sufficient, please ask more questions.
So if I already addressed the real context, what exactly is your problem? Just as you're accusing me of doing, you can't take a SECTION of my post and say I'm skirting an issue, when I just addressed it the paragraph before. You've been doing this a lot, actually.
Keyshe said:Why did you twist your 'typo' around and imply it I twisted it?
These were from different posts, but they were about the same issue, so I've put them together.Keyshe said:However I still say Heroine, busy as she maybe or confusion/misunderstanding ect she STILL tired to flip her own typo as evidence against me-- contradicting and ignoring the implications she was responsible for-- two flip and twisted out discussion around more then once, and deflected away off the more suspicions elements.
In other words: the issue was NEVER the typo. EVER.I don't think misunderstanding the typo is the issue here... I apologize if it came across that way. I have a feeling we're arguing two entirely different things here. I'm focused, as far as the "manipulation" goes, on you claiming that I wanted to lynch you two.
But I never, ever, ever said I wanted either of you lynched, no matter what the typo said. These were your own imagined concepts.
Erm... Does this not count as correcting? It's what I was trying to do there... I thought it was rather clear that I didn't take that into consideration.Keyshe said:Why have you been avoiding 'correcting' that you have no reason to trust 'JC' over anyone else just by a vote?
Oh. I apologize for this. As I said when I first mentioned I was going to become more active, I really haven't read the days before this one in depth. JC specifically pointed out that he voted for Thareous, which is why I brought that up. I'll have to look back and judge for myself whether you being on him before anyone else is significant enough to indicate Town.
Why have you been avoiding responding to any of my more recent posts, instead bringing up the exact same things over and over and over again, AFTER they've been resolved?Keyshe said:Why have you been evasive, sarcastic and manipulative instead of being straight foreword with me?
So this:Keyshe said:Why didn't you just say it was a typo and that you didn't meant Thar not Viral, and in way mean to suggest lynching of Viral?
Is the same as not saying it was a typo? Really, how much clearer should I have been?And, also... Looking at that, I was actually very confused for a moment. XD I'm really sorry for this confusion, but I meant to say Thar there, not Viral. "JC seems pretty Townie, particularly due to his suggestion to lynch Thareous." If I remember correctly, I have not expressed any other significant suspicions toward Viral, so that statement made no sense. Besides, someone suggesting to lynch a confirmed mafia member makes them sound a lot more Townie than wanting to lynch some other random player whose alignment I have no knowledge of.
I don't see how. And if you do for some reason see that, then that's your problem. To me, though, it just sounded like you were trying to come up with some reason to accuse me, because I never once said I wanted you lynched.Keyshe said:Underlined all cool beans-- bold the problem-- those two together look like may be wanting proven effective scum hunters killed.HOT said:I don't trust Keyshe at all. I mean... MORE than I don't trust anyone else. XD I've noticed Keyshe can be extremely crafty and is very good at blending into the Town. However, there's little evidence against her at this time aside from the fact that she's still alive, which is a questionable basis for suspicion. JC seems pretty Townie, particularly due to his suggestion to lynch Viral.
The entire post was supposed to address that. It's called a topic sentence. Or a thesis. Whichever.Keyshe said:Colored, odd posts that make little sense and are weird to even be said. Kinda scumy as the context don't add up, underlined are cool-beans, bolded problem.HOT said:First of all, Keyshe, you seem to be overly aggressive and manipulative in this game. I think it's strange that you FoS'd me simply because I didn't respond to you. A simply reminder might have been nice; I really didn't intend to ignore you. In fact, I skimmed your post and when I saw Viral saying that he agreed with Keyshe, I thought that responding to him would suffice.
first one colored quote, she out of the blue says I'm manipulative and being aggressive-- no links or references. Direct response to being FOS?
Even though I did. And I explained why I didn't initially.Keyshe said:second-problem here is she didn't respond to Viral- not really skipped over the 'real' suspicion and just talk about the cop, the safe thing to do.
Because you can't understand it, it's incapable of being understood. And do you really need an example of a situation that was twisted once and can be twisted further? Like, one twist, and then BAM, that statement is done? That's your philosophy? There seems to be a hole in this argument. Nothing about my typo means that you couldn't be twisting my words.Keyshe said:Bold-- She say this after making it clear it was a typo-- what she "meant" was cleanly not understood and couldn't be. How can she claim I twisted when it was already by herself?
Really too lazy to go through and color that paragraph, soo... The line in reference is: "If I remember correctly, I have not expressed any other significant suspicions toward Viral, so that statement made no sense." THIS is a misunderstanding, and if a significant portion of your suspicions were based on that sentence, then I apologize for not realizing sooner. Keyshe, that line had nothing to do with you -- I was saying my OWN statement, about my typo claiming JC was more Townie due to lynching Viral, made no sense, since I had no ill will against Viral. Does that make it clearer?Keyshe said:Third she oddly attempt to discredit the line of thinking/context I got from the typo more or less saying I was being ridiculous. This is right after her saying is was a typo too. She know I misunderstood it, if it was really a typoHoT said:And, also... Looking at that, I was actually very confused for a moment. XD I'm really sorry for this confusion, but I meant to say Thar there, not Viral. "JC seems pretty Townie, particularly due to his suggestion to lynch Thareous."If I remember correctly, I have not expressed any other significant suspicions toward Viral, so that statement made no sense.
This could mean it wasn't a typo and Viral is a scum bud and this a slip or she knew he is town and was trying to get the town to consider getting us lynched.
It seems that there has been a significant amount of misinterpretation in both parties. You're not the only one at fault here, but I certainly am not, either. If you're expecting me to take your suspicion as a misunderstanding, then I implore you to know that I apparently misunderstood your suspicions as twisting my words. If you're claiming I wanted to lynch someone when I had no intentions of doing so, and incorrectly paraphrase me saying so, then of COURSE it's going to seem like you're twisting my words. My problem lies in the fact that you say it's my fault that I felt like that. And it seems like after I responded with that attitude, you, too, felt the same way, and this whole argument started.If it was a typo.. why did she try poorly to claim I was twisting things-- when obviously at face value it looks like she said it's pro-town to lynch Viral?
I'm confused.Keyshe said:She ignores the issue of the 'typo' and how it was disproved as manipulation-- and picks and chooses what is the easy to use to defect off her scummy mistakes.The only thing I see is him saying that I failed to address is me becoming more active is scummy for some reason. I didn't really think that required any explanation... there's not much I can say to defend myself, unless you'd prefer that I stop posting now. I can do that if it's more Townie. I happen to be becoming more active because, if you'll to other games, that's my usual meta; I'm almost always inactive at the beginning and pick up activity toward the end. (Plus I just died in MMM... I hadn't at the time of posting that, but yeah. XD)
I don't think I brushed any suspicion off. I legitimately attempted to respond to accusations against me -- I don't think it's my fault if you feel I didn't do it adequately. You really don't see any difference between my play and Sadia's?
I explained this in my last post. You're twisting my words when I never said I wanted to lynch anyone. Perhaps it was a misunderstanding, but you must consider that from my perspective, that seemed unnecessarily manipulative.
Additionally: quote where I said you were scummy. You've said I've attacked you, when I never did. Why was it okay when I said you were crafty, but when I say you're manipulative, it's a HUGE no?She claimed she had addressed accusations, again but she had not, not to Viral or to me(save for oh it was a typo you are scummy for thinking it was real). She makes a ridiculousness statement about maybe she should not post if that's more town-- not even relevant and strawman.
Really? Inactivity was not part of the issue? Tell that to Viral:
When you said that I did not properly address everything in Viral's post, I naturally assumed that the activity thing was part of your issue, because I'd just kind of skipped over that the first time, thinking it was unimportant.Viral Maze said:With heroine, I found Keyshe mirroring exactly what I was thinking, her last post is super scummy. With 3 scumtards down the remaing mafia will try to stay active (something fHoT and Sadia are trying to do now).
What I said before:Intentionally presented my quotes to the town out of context in 'different paragraphs'.
Which you never responded to. Who exactly is skirting suspicion here? I still don't understand the issue. You said something about JC and you having the same chance of being scum, right? And I said, technically, you both do? What in context, exactly, changed that assessment of mine? You've failed to address that.But, Keyshe, that's not the only time I addressed that point. I also brought up how I wasn't paying attention to the in quite a bit of detail right above the line you quoted from me.
Which, of course, you seem to mention here:
So if I already addressed the real context, what exactly is your problem? Just as you're accusing me of doing, you can't take a SECTION of my post and say I'm skirting an issue, when I just addressed it the paragraph before. You've been doing this a lot, actually.
I don't think I attacked you. I said you were unusually aggressive. I was attacking you not harder than you were attacking me, and that was WITHOUT an FoS.Keyshe said:Not to mention she attacked hard from getting just an FOS,
Are you implying that because I did not FoS you, I am scummy? I... I honestly can't even think of the last time I FoS'd someone in a mafia game, except for musicfan in LotR, who turned out to actually be a confirmed Townie so I immediately removed it, haha. I rarely ever do; I either vote or accuse people. FoS isn't really my thing.Keyshe said:claimed I was twisting her typo yet gave no FOS, not once.
Now, I don't know if there was suspicion on her from the other days that you're referring to, but if I recall correctly, Viral briefly mentioned she might be scum, and then I posted an analysis on her posts. In that case, wouldn't I be the SECOND person to go after Sadia? Maybe even the first because I was the first to actually bring up tangible points against her?Keyshe said:Also went after Sadia only after others were already and didn't even vote for her until late when there was ample support by others. Not looking once at Fuse too boot. I feel over all there is much more clear 'evidence' on her then Sadia. Viral is awall. T_T If town whhhhhyyy did you leave me D:
Now talking back is making me scum? I don't want to be accused to incorrectly paraphrasing you... but that's exactly what I'm seeing. The rationale against Sadia makes sense, but because I happen to be defending myself, I'm scummy?Keyshe said:I would also note, her and Thar have acted very similar when under suspicion-- they talk back--fight back ect. Sadia however has not tired to fight back-- or accuse her accusers. I'd think the lasts scum would want to at least try to live.
Not you too. D: I mean, in my last major post, I DIRECTLY QUOTED every single line that Keyshe said to me... But I'm still skirting around them! When Keyshe hasn't even bothered answering ANY of mine! She seems to pretend that any recent defenses of my own simply don't exist -- except when she finds the opportunity to exploit them and make something in them sound bad.Heroine is skirting around questions frequently. Sadia, on the other hand, hasn't been doing much of anything.
Need to make this post fast before ZD crashes again.
If Sadia flips town, who are you guys most suspicious of?
I am oddly neutral on her, there is plenty that looks scummy with her... but something doesn't sit right-- that might just be as I am so focused Heroine. on Manly is my doubt on is she, Fuse or Heroine are scum. Tho it's odd she never tired to use the name claim at all. I wanted Heroine lynched but she isn't a horrible one either. From her death at least we will have more to work with.As scummy as I find both Sadia and Heroine, for different reasons, I'm find with lynching either today. I'm keeping my vote on sadia just because I think she's the bigger fish to fry today I've already said why, and I totally agree with pretty much everything said about her (esp Marshals last post).
Btw, Keyshe, just so I know where you stand, do you think Sadia is town or scum?
Fused: I'm still quite suspicious of him and if it wasn't for this whole 50/50 scenario where Sadia could potentially be the GF then my vote would still be on Fused.Need to make this post fast before ZD crashes again.
If Sadia flips town, who are you guys most suspicious of?
Well, I most certainly did not write them to be such. Isn't that a matter of opinion? I believed several of your questions were rather irrelevant (considering I'd already answered a lot of them over and over), but I answered them anyway for the sake of discussion. This sounds like a very poor argument to me.Many of those supposed questions were 'deflective and irreverent''
I don't know. You said I hadn't replied to all of Viral's suspicions, so I replied to all of Viral's suspicions. And it seems to me that I'd already answered all of your questions, or, if I somehow missed them, answered them later on, as I've gone over the same exact arguments of yours many times.to my points and such as Viral's suspicion on you for being inactive-- and of course I made no comment on Viral's suspicions on your activity as that HAD nothing to do with my posts to you. If it's the ones I'm thinking of it's pointless to get distracted by them when you used them to avoid my own.
...I'm sorry, I'm not understanding this. What "ones" are you talking about? My questions? If so, feel free to do what I did in my reply -- quote to question and then quote your response. I can also pull up a lot more questions that you never answered if you need them.I you can't twist that into I'm also 'skittering suspicion' as the 'ones' you presented were addressed/confronted.
I'm sure you were writing this quickly, but again, I'm not certain what you're referring to... If you had been what? Skittering suspicion? I'm pretty sure I HAVE mentioned that... And I'm also not sure why addressing something a little while after it has happened makes it any less scummy.If I really had been you would have said something before now
I'm guessing this is not your fault as it sounds like you did not fully read my monster post, but I address this issue in there. I rarely ever FoS anyone. I forget about the option half the time. And if I had FoS'd you, what would it have changed? All my arguments are still just as valid with or without the FoS. Also, that's a VERY broad statement, that ALL of my arguments have been twisted. It's very dismissive of any suspicion on you.An FOS with your attacks would have at least been consistent-- but what you did was try to play off and put scummy connotations on nothing but what you twisted.
More like obviously waiting for a time when I had two and a half hours to focus on a single mafia post.Obviously waiting for someone else to 'pick it up' for you before you made any move on me or I just backed off.
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