Death battle Link vs Cloud Round 2?

[DeactivatedUser2]

The point of shielding is to wear cloud out. Cloud eventually loses all of his MP.
2. What? This isn't even a real reason?
5. He doesn't need anything else to beat cloud. You know?
6. Except you are taking things out of context. Gorons can canonically live underwater. Deal with it. Link's hammer space has been his biggest trait since the beginning of gaming. It's a fact that this is one of links abilities, and it is even explained how his hammer space works in game, such as Twilight Princess with Midna.

2.) If you want a better reason, blame it on gameplay. Cloud was stabbed in a cutscene, not in an actual battle.
5.) Sure.
6.) Why the hostility?

Why do we need to crush Cloud's skull? Arrows pierce Cloud and can do sizable amounts of damage, as seen in FFVll. Arrows could easily kill cloud. And that's really all Link needs.

Because it's what the discussion was about.

 

[Kingdom X]

1.) This is a vicious cycle... I don't understand why you think Goron Link shielding is such an utter victory. "Hah, he defends and doesn't attack at all, that'll show'em!"
2.) Because Twilight Princess is easy.
5.) Considering he can't use any other type of Magic Attack and can only do the basic slash, since, y'know, aLttP, it severely limits his attacks.
6.) I you can blame game designs, so can I.

We already gave over 10 means of defense that cloud cant get pass, you didnt even name one out of what we already said, which was the sword deflecting, magic spell protect, heros drink ect...

1.) Indestructible shield
2.) Gorons armor rock plating back
3.) Links zoras mask invulnerability blue aura
4.) Staff of byrna (invulnerable)
5.) Magic cape (intangible)
6.) Magic armor
7.) 30+ Magic rings
8.) Reflect spell from links adventure
9.) Nayrus love (impenetrable)
10.) Mails and earings that ups links defense in any elemental or status effect immunity's

It is a cycle, no matter what defense is set in place you will ignore it, like saying if link is defending with his shield, cloud can just throw water on goron link (which isnt even in play at the time).

You sound incoherent at this point. Clouds regen magic last only temporary, links regen ring via the heart ring last as long as he wears it, clouds time magic stop, slow, haste last only temporary, links ocarina time enhancements last for as long as he likes.

 

[Lozjam]

Because it's what the discussion was about.

I'm pretty sure the discussion is, "who would win in a fight", not, "can Link crush Cloud's skull".

2.) If you want a better reason, blame it on gameplay. Cloud was stabbed in a cutscene, not in an actual battle.

How does this even make sense?
How does cutscenes versus non-cutscenes have anything to do with using TP as source material for the abilities of a Goron?

 

[DeactivatedUser2]

I'm pretty sure the discussion is, "who would win in a fight", not, "can Link crush Cloud's skull".

How does this even make sense?
How does cutscenes versus non-cutscenes have anything to do with using TP as source material for the abilities of a Goron?

1.) Check the posts right before that...
2.) Dude, I was responding to your post on how Link could withstand more damage from Ganondorf than Cloud could from Sephiroth. Cloud was stabbed in a cutscene, where most damage in games is amplified, such as when Ghirahim disables Link towards the end of SS when he kidnaps Zelda.

 

[Kingdom X]

Considering that you've already seen Cloud survive a super nova and a sword to the chest, I think he'll be fine to any of the rings. He would need to get near Cloud, who is faster and more physically adept;
12 year old Link couldn't even lift a plant, dude; he needed the Goron's Bracelet to lift a plant.



A plant.

Kingdom: Shows link lifting 10 ton objects in almost every game
HOL: Ignores it an down plays to weaker game mechanics.

Here, link lifting a bush, no goron bracelet required:

No downplay now exist.

Show us cloud lifting anything above 1,000 pounds or even 300 lbs?

Strength: 12 year old link >>>> Adult cloud

A supernova? Cloud cant even handle a 2 inch sword:

See the blood, He bleeds...que Rocky

You cut em, he bleeds! You see, hes just a man...now go out there an kick his ass.

Link: casually throws around cloud in a hand to hand fight being ridiculously stronger and punches cloud all black and blue, cloud a bleeding pulp of a mess throws his tantrum knowing he will never win, decides to bust out his sword...Link casually slips on the golden gauntlets, deflects a few blows with his indestructible shield, finally catches the buster sword, bends it into a balloon animal figure than throws it away. Grabs a hold of clouds back, breaks it like a twig with 1,000+ tons of force...game...set...match.

 

[DeactivatedUser2]

Kingdom: Shows link lifting 10 ton objects in almost every game
HOL: Ignores it an down plays to weaker game mechanics.

Here, link lifting a bush, no goron bracelet required:

No downplay now exist.

Show us cloud lifting anything above 1,000 pounds or even 300 lbs?

Strength: 12 year old link >>>> Adult cloud

A supernova? Cloud cant even handle a 2 inch sword:

See the blood, He bleeds...que Rocky

You cut em, he bleeds! You see, hes just a man...now go out there an kick his ass.

Link: casually throws around cloud in a hand to hand fight being ridiculously stronger, cloud a bleeding pulp of a mess throws his tantrum knowing he will never win, decides to bust out his sword...Link casually slips on the golden gauntlets, deflects a few blows with his indestructible shield, finally catches the buster sword, bends it into a balloon animal figure than throws it away. Grabs a hold of clouds back, breaks it like a twig with 1,000+ tons of force...game...set...match.

Cloud bleeds when a sword is thrust into his body? *Gasp*
It's basically Cloud vs stronger Cloud when it comes to Sephiroth, of course he can make him bleed. And, yknow, it's not we've shown you video evidence in game of him surviving a supernova.

 

[Kingdom X]

Manga isn't exactly canon, same with Hyrule Warriors.

I get it sucks to admit, but both Cloud and Sora are stronger than Link, composite or not. Link is really strong, but Sora has been shown to be able to cut through buildings with a single swing. If Link used his super strength you claim he has to throw a 10,000 ton pillar, Sora could cut it clean in two.

Still waiting for a strength feat to dub cloud physically stronger than link. Sora beat cloud by the way, another person almost half clouds age.

 

[DeactivatedUser2]

Still waiting for a strength feat to dub cloud physically stronger than link. Sora beat cloud by the way, another person almost half clouds age.

Cutting through buildings with raw strength =/= picking things up using enhancers

 

[Kingdom X]

1.) We're talking about crushing Cloud's skull, not a dinky little arrow.
2.) Touche.

Both the arrow and the gloves can kill cloud, what you have to do is, come up with an argument that makes links physical 1,000 ton strength not be able to crush clouds skull.

Which you cant. But what you will do, is make excuses that he survived super novas (even though a 1 inch sword bled him) and breaths in space (even though the earth is still shown there) and probably make up more stuff like no matter what form link is in, if you throw water at him, it makes him auto equip goron mask and he thence dies from the water.

Face palm.

Cutting through buildings with raw strength =/= picking things up using enhancers

Thats clouds:

- Soldier serum not his base form
- His sword not his hands
- A sword is powerful, not strong (power and strength two different things)

Link can lift 10 tons, with no enhancements, it takes less than 100 lbs of fource to crack a skull. Link with raw physical farm boy hylian power, is shattering clouds skull with one blow, or...hes doing to cloud what hulk did to loki.

Quite sad that cloud fans cant even except the facts. That cloud is a one trick pony without his sword, yet link can kill cloud in over a 100 ways without his 20 different swords.

 

[DeactivatedUser2]

Both the arrow and the gloves can kill cloud, what you have to do is, come up with an argument that makes links physical 1,000 ton strength not be able to crush clouds skull.

Which you cant. But what you will do, is make excuses that he survived super novas (even though a 1 inch sword bled him) and breaths in space (even though the earth is still shown there) and probably make up more stuff like no matter what form link is in, if you throw water at him, it makes him auto equip goron mask and he thence dies from the water.

Face palm.

Your whole scenario revolved around Goron Link defending which apparently creates an utter victory for him, I only brought up Lleviethan being used after you all said nothing could damage him. Yes, Cloud bled to a superior warrior and super soldier no less after being stabbed in the chest, what is hard to understand about that?

Thats clouds:

- Soldier serum not his base form
- His sword not his hands
- A sword is powerful, not strong (power and strength two different things)

Link can lift 10 tons, with no enhancements, it takes less than 100 lbs of source to crack a skull. Link with raw physical farm boy hylian power, is shattering clouds skull with one blow, or...hes doing to cloud what hulk did to loki.

Quite sad that cloud fans cant even except the facts. That cloud is a one trick pony without his sword, yet link can kill cloud in over a 100 ways without his 20 different swords.

You know what's hilarious? I haven't even played FF7 but I've been able to keep this debate going for 4 pages.

 

[Kingdom X]

You know what's hilarious? I haven't even played FF7 but I've been able to keep this debate going for 4 pages.

Nah, more like youve been laughed at for 4 pages. More like you proved not one thing, and more like youve just made up ability's and restrictions that dont co-exist in their respective universes.

 

[DeactivatedUser2]

Nah, more like youve been laughed at for 4 pages. More like you proved not one thing, and more like youve just made up ability's and restrictions that dont co-exist in their respective universes.

Says the one who uses Hyrule Warriors and the animated series to back up their claims... You really have no idea what canon means, do you?

 

[Kingdom X]

Says the one who uses Hyrule Warriors and the animated series to back up their claims...

lol Still ignores everything else besides the Hyrule warriors and animated series...the real reason you dont want to accept them is, hyrule warriors link solos the FF7 verse...but hey they all are fiction, dont accept and go on believing that sephiroth blew up the solar system...doesnt change the fact that cloud was rubbed down by a bunch of gay guys.
http://www.dorkly.com/post/75421/weird-things-you-forgot-were-in-final-fantasy-vii/page:3

 

[DeactivatedUser2]

lol Still ignores everything else besides the Hyrule warriors and animated series...the real reason you dont want to accept them is, hyrule warriors link solos the FF7 verse...but hey they all are fiction, dont accept and go on believing that sephiroth blew up the solar system...doesnt change the fact that cloud was rubbed down by a bunch of gay guys.
http://www.dorkly.com/post/75421/weird-things-you-forgot-were-in-final-fantasy-vii/page:3

Didn't know you were a homophobe- no, no, honestly, this is pathetic (and a little sad, really.) You're like 30 and you're arguing with a 15 year old and making jokes about characters being homosexual. Yes, the HW Link would completely decimate every other Link, Cloud, AND Sora. But it's not canon to the main timeline. This was even stated in an interview. I'm just going to do us both a favor and quit arguing, because you've resorted to a new low.

 

[Kingdom X]

Didn't know you were a homophobe- no, no, honestly, this is pathetic (and a little sad, really.) You're like 30 and you're arguing with a 15 year old and making jokes about characters being homosexual. Yes, the HW Link would completely decimate every other Link, Cloud, AND Sora. But it's not canon to the main timeline. This was even stated in an interview. I'm just going to do us both a favor and quit arguing, because you've resorted to a new low.

You are the biggest down player here breh, from post one youve been making up false accusations, like the 100 ton stones, 15? No wonder you couldnt even tell the difference between a 100 ton stone and a 1,000 ton one, your just a kid, thought you were a man...never mind then. And dont get mad at me because they wrote up cloud as a cross dressing, man dating character, talk to the creators.

No bigs...just fictional characters, dont take it to hard.

Here's the thing though. Link doesn't have to.

Over the course of the Zelda Series, there has never been a hit that Link could not block with proper timing. He can simply absorb any hit that came at him.

**** it. As a child, this little badass completely absorbed hits from giant falling volcano debris with just a Hylian shield on his back. So Sora would just not be able to hurt link in his prime.


You are forgetting that Death Battle didn't even show Link at his finest either. I mean, Link has items that literally make him untouchable. Goron Link would crush cloud. Fierce Diety it would not even be a fair fight. Zora Link can easily simply drown cloud if he was near the water.

Link also has an item that not only makes him invincible, but also does a ton of damage.

Here's the kicker though. At full strength, if Link somehow was close to losing. He could just go back from time and retry, simply warp out of the fight.

Link has also proven that he is way more versatile than Cloud. Link has many strategies that Cloud simply has not. Cloud just wacks stuff. Link forms a strategy to take care of any enemy and exploit his enemy's weak points. Cloud has never done this, nor will he ever. This in itself gives Link an even bigger edge than before.


Why would Link ever want to use a big sword against Cloud?
Link is all about defense. Link can quite literally block all of Cloud's attacks, while Cloud gets hit by attacks 95% of the time in FFVll. Cloud has no respect for defense. But that is his downfall.

Exactly.

Why do we need to crush Cloud's skull? Arrows pierce Cloud and can do sizable amounts of damage, as seen in FFVll. Arrows could easily kill cloud. And that's really all Link needs.

Because crushing skulls with bare hands are way cooler than shooting someone with an arrow. But cloud at-least deflects bullets, which is a dexterity thing, not speed thing...so cloud could atleast deflect the basic arrows...not sure about the ice/fire/light/silver/bomb-arrows.