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Game Thread [Day 5] Zelda an Orcarana of Time as Remembered by Someone Who Only Played a Little Bit of it Well Over a Decade Ago Mafia

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Usually it's just when parity has been reached. So if the remaining amount of town players is the same amount of scum remaining. I think if I'm still around the loophole is even if it was 2 scum vs 2 town I could make a tie breaking vote.

OP has the mafia win con as eliminating all threats to the mafia, which is why I asked. It's also why I stated that while it may seem like you can win with either side you might not actually be able to if mafia see you as a threat, provided you aren't removed upon completing your win con.

@Kirino negligible physical strength?
 

Kirino

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I haven’t used my ability mostly because I haven’t thought of much to say that I couldn’t simply say in the thread. I actually considered using it to clear myself by sending someone a message saying “Kirino is town,” so that it would look like an investigation result. But I thought the actual investigative role might call it out, and it could end up backfiring by making me look like scum attempting a fake clear, not to mention our investigave role would end up revealing itself.
@Kirino negligible physical strength?
are you asking me if I lift
 

Uwu_Oocoo2

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Interested to hear your thoughts on this, since it's been me who has asked 15377 about it and not Ex. When the whole LD stuff started, they said;

But that's about it, 15377 is the only player that doesn't cooperate. Which is interesting considering he knows how this stuff usually works;

Question would be what does town!15377 get by not doing it? Nothing. What do they lose by not doing it? Nothing, either. So, why? The explanation - unconcerned with the LD, there's no point in making the statement - doesn't answer these questions, and makes me wonder.

What do you think, Uwu?
To be fair, I was tempted not to answer as well. I don't think that the Lie Detector was real, or at least it wasn't as reliable as Ex made it out to be. I don't like being forced to answer a question just so someone can probe insight from my response. That being said, either way there wouldn't be a consequence other than the possibility of getting framed if the person with a lie detector claims you're scum.

No, but I probably should at this point. My abilities:

Fly away: if I'm lynched, I can still post in the thread. Still won't be treated as a living player, though.

Directions: once per night, I can send a player an anonymous message. Haven't used this one so far.
Are you Navi? You're totally Navi, aren't you!

finding town has just been too hard this game for me
sure I haven't been trying particularly hard, but is that really my fault?
To be honest, I expected more of a reaction from you. Either you're town and just don't care, or you're scum and are trying to seem as nonthreatening as possible. Either way it's kind of odd :suspicious:

I'm two parts confused and intrigued by the interaction between Reki and Numbers rn. They seem like they're accusing each other, but in the way that they're having their own little argument but not trying to convince anyone that either is scum. As far as I know, they haven't voted for each other either. So unless either of you thinks there's something to be gained by continuing your intellectual debate, we have a day left and I think you should try to make a decision. Most of the suspicion (what little there is of it) isn't even directly focused on you guys at the moment.
 

Spiritual Mask Salesman

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OP has the mafia win con as eliminating all threats to the mafia, which is why I asked. It's also why I stated that while it may seem like you can win with either side you might not actually be able to if mafia see you as a threat, provided you aren't removed upon completing your win con.

@Kirino negligible physical strength?
It's sort of the same situation Town is in for Mafia, if they think getting rid of me is eliminating a threat to them, they are just wasting time that could be better spent trying to go for a mislynch, or in the night, killing a townie. But I see your point, they may dislike me lol.
 

Morbid Minish

Spooky Scary Skeleton.
Yeah sorry I didn't get around to ISOing people. Have had a busy week so far. And some of y'all know I had a friend come visit today.

Imo it's either Reki, SMS, or Ex today.

Reki because they're the one I feel best about flipping scum but it's not an extremely strong read by any means.

SMS because of the obvious 3rd party claim. So it's a safe lynch.

Ex because of the threshold and the danger he poses with scum hammering him the longer he stays around.

I'm not a fan of lynching someone I'm town reading at all. But with SMS's double vote he could even side with one scum and hammer Ex later.

I dunno what the best play is here. I wanna lynch someone I've been scumreading but that might not turn out the best.
 
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Putting this here to stare at it a bit;

Killjoy (5) - Mikey, Uwu, Chevy, Viral, Kirino
Mikey (3) - 15377, Minish, Exlight
Exlight (1) - Jinjo
Not Voting (4) - reki, Johnny, SMS, Killjoy
Viral (3) - Exlight, Minish, Chevy
Mikey (1) - Johnny
Reki (1) -15377
Johnny (4) - Kirino, Viral, Mikey, SMS
Not Voting (3) - reki, Viral, Uwu

I guess the other reasoning is it narrows the PoE in scum's favor, leaving more unknowns than easily readable players?

This is what I meant, but yeah, the other considerations you brought up sound fair.

To be fair, I was tempted not to answer as well. I don't think that the Lie Detector was real, or at least it wasn't as reliable as Ex made it out to be. I don't like being forced to answer a question just so someone can probe insight from my response. That being said, either way there wouldn't be a consequence other than the possibility of getting framed if the person with a lie detector claims you're scum.

As talked earlier I thought that, without actually knowing all the details it wasn't in town's best interest not to cooperate, but if you were sure about its spotty reliability I guess I can see where you're coming from. On that point, apologies for forcing you to answer last phase, if that's how you felt about that exchange.

About our back and forth, 15377 is continuing their push from last phase. There's a progression, voting included. I don't strongly suspect them nor want to vote there, but tried to point out the arguments that seemed inconsistent.

Also sorry for the drop in activity my mind been elsewhere lately lol

Vote: ExLight

This time I promise I'll reread the thread! grr

Hmmm. Isn't this risky with the modifier you claimed to have?

Btw hope everything's alright on your end!

SMS because of the obvious 3rd party claim. So it's a safe lynch.

If we do that and both Ex and SMS aren't lying, we lose tomorrow.

It's mechanically safer to either go for Ex - to get rid of the liability - or a strong meanie-read - me from your perspective, it seems -.
 

ExLight

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Hmmm. Isn't this risky with the modifier you claimed to have?

Btw hope everything's alright on your end!
I mean I'm doing this because I plan on dying today lol
You did the calculations, I'm a bit too risky to be kept alive

I'm technically in hammer range but that should be fine still right

Yall should be a bit careful because if Numbers is scum they might try to mess the votes up so I live another day though
 
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Killjoy (5) - Mikey, Uwu, Chevy, Viral, Kirino
Mikey (3) - 15377, Minish, Exlight
Exlight (1) - Jinjo
Not Voting (4) - reki, Johnny, SMS, Killjoy
Viral (3) - Exlight, Minish, Chevy
Mikey (1) - Johnny
Reki
(1) -15377
Johnny (4) - Kirino, Viral, Mikey, SMS
Not Voting (3) - reki, Uwu

That's how it looks from my perspective.

Uwu/Kirino probably not W/W*. Problem here is that the reading of the first phase depends on if you think evils would go out of their way to save Killjoy or just let one bus and the other sit elsewhere. Anyone has meta on Kirino's bussing habits?

The other one should be Ex or SMS. But SMS not voting at all is weird. Looking back a bit, they really tried to avoid the Mikey train ("I've seen him powerwolf and this ain't it") but didn't commit to another before EoD. Guessing that'd be proper of a self-aligned player; any team would've urged them to have a vote, somewhere, and maybe there would be a chance to save Killjoy. Ex's vote there is explained as leaving space for a potential investigation to yield better results, which sounds reasonable. It's just when looking at it through the votecount that it doesn't seem that good.

Second phase I wouldn't expect both meanies to stack on Johnny, but I'm less sure on that one that the first count. Unless the team was Ex+Uwu - it's a possibility, need to dig into that one a bit more - guessing at least one meanie would be on Johnny, which would be either Kirino or SMS. Not voting here is easier and makes more sense - to deny responsibility - since we now know the two leading wagons were town.

If we add my earlier comment then Kirino could only be partnered with Ex or SMS, most likely with the first. If it was SMS instead, that'd be a team with Ex or Uwu, dunno which one more likely.

This all leaves the possible combinations of; Kirino/Ex, SMS/Kirino, Ex/Uwu, SMS/Ex or SMS/Uwu. Trusting SMS to be a neutral - and it seems like these are somewhat common here - narrows down the potential teams a lot, though.

If I opened up and considered 15377 and Minish, then I don't see W/W either between them or with Ex, unless they were brazenly trying to save Killjoy there. Is that something that'd look within any of their wolfranges?

However, they could be partnered with Kirino or Uwu. SMS still looks neutral-ish enough, though.

Come day 2 (3) and Minish reaaally looks like she can't be partnered with Ex. Two EoDs on the same wagon, the second with someone mostly town-read is a bit much, meanies are normally self-aware about that. Any other combination could work, though.

So, leaving SMS aside for a second - too many combinations otherwise - that'd be Kirino/Ex, Ex/Uwu, 15377/Kirino, 15377/Uwu, Minish/Kirino and Minish/Uwu.

Hmmm.

I mean I'm doing this because I plan on dying today lol
You did the calculations, I'm a bit too risky to be kept alive

Sure I'm just a bit wary of a hammer, accidental or "accidental".
 

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