Game Thread [Day 5] Zelda an Orcarana of Time as Remembered by Someone Who Only Played a Little Bit of it Well Over a Decade Ago Mafia

[Reki]

I'd be pretty conflicted if it was Ex vs someone else in Lylo, and would rather not be in an endgame like that.

Why would you be if you're a claimed Ne... wait, you supposedly can't get the pieces anymore, right? So you've got to your backup wincon - do you use these here? - which... I'm not sure you've claimed.

Sorry, I've got some vague memory of this being discussed but can't recall the details. You'll promise to never betray town though, right?

If lynching me is done in some hope it will favor the town's gamestate, it really doesn't.

Unless you're evil, I agree. And to be honest I like you being here and talking and making reasonable points so, here's hoping you're not tricking us.

There's one thing that looks weird though. Don't elaborate if you feel it could still be useful, but you having two investigative powers just doesn't fit to me.

The Chevy kill is also very random

Agreed on the Ex wouldn't go for Jinjo point, but this one I don't get? Even leaving aside the thing Kirino mentioned, Chevy was pretty town-read. Isn't that reason enough, no matter the composition of the team?

I'm honestly baffled by the amount of people town reading Minish.

Tbf it's more of a PoE for me and one or two things looking good there, but there's also points against her.

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

Why would you be if you're a claimed Ne... wait, you supposedly can't get the pieces anymore, right? So you've got to your backup wincon - do you use these here? - which... I'm not sure you've claimed.

Sorry, I've got some vague memory of this being discussed but can't recall the details. You'll promise to never betray town though, right?

Well I assume you'd all want me to give input and vote? Or I could just not. I can still get the Triforce pieces before today ends or in the night, but if I don't get any, and scum win tomorrow in lylo, I'll lose with town.

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

There's one thing that looks weird though. Don't elaborate if you feel it could still be useful, but you having two investigati

One is just me looking for Triforce pieces.

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

I didn't crunch the numbers so idk if tomorrow will really be lylo but I saw some others saying it might be

 

[Kirino]

Did you claim yet?

No, but I probably should at this point. My abilities:

Fly away: if I'm lynched, I can still post in the thread. Still won't be treated as a living player, though.

Directions: once per night, I can send a player an anonymous message. Haven't used this one so far.

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

No, but I probably should at this point. My abilities:

Fly away: if I'm lynched, I can still post in the thread. Still won't be treated as a living player, though.

Directions: once per night, I can send a player an anonymous message. Haven't used this one so far.

What's your name claim? Why haven't you sent a message yet?

 

[15377]

Question would be what does town!15377 get by not doing it? Nothing. What do they lose by not doing it? Nothing, either. So, why? The explanation - unconcerned with the LD, there's no point in making the statement - doesn't answer these questions, and makes me wonder.

What do you think, Uwu?

What I gain is the wrong question. The right question is what does town gain by me doing this. The answer is also nothing. As I've pointed out other statements I've made have invalidated my results already so there's nothing for town to gleam from my participation.

What do you think of my comment to Uwu's about LyLo?

If we assume 2 scum and one self left then we are already at 4-2-1. That's what I know.

Spoiler: Stuff for Reki

I think we're starting to go in circles

An inevitably when two people don't agree.

Not true. I didn't give any towncred for that, but pondered on what it meant. That's the whole point of bolding the doubts.

What's not true is saying that because you slapped a maybe on the end of your thought you're free to say anything you want while taking no culpability for it. Your hot take is your initial gut reaction. Doubting it after doesn't change it. It's still your hot take.

Sure, fair. Gonna call you out for dragging me for doing the same, though.

The difference is that I am self aware and unconcerned with amassing votes.

Untrue. My reads on the likes of Mikey, Viral, Minish, Chevy, etc. didn't appear out of thin air.

What I'm referring to is an established pattern of thought that people that aren't you can follow as the game progresses. Establishing initial takes day 1, updating those day 2. Etc. Your posts don't convey that.

Which basically only works if Mikey and I are partnered, and that also is a revision of this other comment you made 7 posts earlier

440 only works if Mikey is scum because it was written in response to Johnny who said if you were scum your vote on Mikey made him town. It's only a small inkling of examples focused on the premise that you don't have to be W/T to have a reason to throw a vote there.

You said "Creeper" in your post then. Was that the used phrasing?

No, that was just the vibe Rag's flavor gave off.

 

[Mikey the Gengar]

No, but I probably should at this point. My abilities:

Fly away: if I'm lynched, I can still post in the thread. Still won't be treated as a living player, though.

Directions: once per night, I can send a player an anonymous message. Haven't used this one so far.

town claim
very good

 

[15377]

What's your name claim? Why haven't you sent a message yet?

They should probably not name claim. Anybody that hasn't already probably shouldn't until Reki gives their second name cop target and result. If everybody throws out their names before then we completely lose the ability to semi verify the ability. Second question is super valid though.

 

[Ragnarokio]

~22 hours 30 minutes until deadline

 

[Reki]

If that soft means what I think it does, that's some funny role for the claimed flavor.

But really, it means two things; not W/W with Kirino and that our path to winning is even thinner. Great.

I didn't crunch the numbers so idk if tomorrow will really be lylo but I saw some others saying it might be

It basically depends on Ex's claimed modifier being true. And the uncertainty of how would you vote/you leaving the game at night. On that regard;

You'll promise to never betray town though, right?

Please ?

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

Please

I have no intention to betray town, but if I leave the game after I meet my wincon that's out of my control.

 

[15377]

@Spiritual Mask Salesman what's ZD's standard mafia win con wording?

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

Agreed on the Ex wouldn't go for Jinjo point, but this one I don't get? Even leaving aside the thing Kirino mentioned, Chevy was pretty town-read. Isn't that reason enough, no matter the composition of the team?

I feel like scum teams usually have only a few things on their mind before making kills, not in this order, and maybe not with overlap. Is this player accurately scum reading and therefore a threat? Could this player have a role that would be better to be eliminated? Is there a way killing a player can frame someone and cause a mislynch?

What context does a Chevy kill make sense under? None of them seem like they make much sense to me. Rolling with the he was universally pro-town idea, if he was also accurately pinning down the scum team I could imagine that kill making sense. I guess the other reasoning is it narrows the PoE in scum's favor, leaving more unknowns than easily readable players?

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

@Spiritual Mask Salesman what's ZD's standard mafia win con wording?

Usually it's just when parity has been reached. So if the remaining amount of town players is the same amount of scum remaining. I think if I'm still around the loophole is even if it was 2 scum vs 2 town I could make a tie breaking vote.