Missing top town from Mikey and 15377. Please folks, it'd be appreciated, we need to cooperate for it to work.
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@Reki, I didn't. I have my reasons for being unconcerned with being cleared.
Here's the thing;
- If you're evil, you fear the LD because you don't know how it works and how much of a threat it is. Turns out it wasn't that powerful, but you don't know that. So you obviously wouldn't want to cooperate* and would try and shade the plan.
- If town, normally you just cooperate. If you're "unconcerned" because you've got other ways to do so, then you cooperate anyways as to not stick out, because players that can be confirmed are always a tasty choice for NKs. So you don't even give a hint as to that, evils normally scan the thread looking for crumbs. There's literally no downside to putting that sentence out there. But you didn't and now you've got me here pondering about the why, wasting time if you're not a meanie.
*In your case it was interesting because I remember discussing with Uwu not wanting to do it, yet for some reason didn't notice you weren't doing it either. Turns out, that reason was that you talked quite a bit about it, even suggesting how to best use it, but ended up not cooperating.
That's somewhat contradictory, don't you think? Like soft-shading.
SMS is 3rd party so a safe lynch but I don't particularly like lynching 3rd party at this point. Especially since we're unsure of his exact powers. And there were 2 kills last night.
Considering how close we are to LyLo and the risk of two flipping again next morning, if there're no clear leads going into EoD SMS could be considered, though.
I've had bad experiences letting Neutrals play kingmaker at endgames. Let me tell ya, it's not funny.
I mean, idk what else to do because if I don't try to be somewhat invested, I'm just going to dip and be inactive. I can win with either faction so it isn't like my wincon conflicts with anyone else in the game.
I suppose if you are all worried I can just kind of let my activity slip and if you all want me to use my double vote a particular way you can ping me? Sounds boring though, I'd rather just not be in the game at that point.
If it helps I do like you chiming in despite your claim so, please keep doing so.
I thought you were gonna start talking a bit more after your last target question, since it seems like nobody has/is willing to claim to have targeted you so far.
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In regards to 15377's ISO, want to admit that you have a good point in that my contributions have been lacking. Not gonna dispute that and I understand how that looks suspicious from your or other's players perspectives.
But I do think some of the points you present don't add up in the way you seem to think they do, so I'll be talking about them one by one if you don't mind.
Which brings us back to the Ex frame job that I've talked about in previous posts. Reki literally spells out why they think Jinjo would be a good scum kill target.
Finds it weird Ex would mention this. Gives him town cred for doing it in his third post of the day.
Let's look at the actual exchange;
I meant the NK. Kinda useless speculation, but I could see Jinjo being picked for; low-info kill/getting rid of a strong player/her push of ExLight, either to frame or get rid of.
Dunno what to make of ExLight bringing up the "framing" point only in their third post of the phase. If you pick that kill to go for that argument, and you get mentioned as suspicious as early as Mikey did, you mention that one at the very start of the day. You'd have that super present in your mind. Probably?
I'm not sure if I'm following what you mean
are you suspecting me because I mentioned it early?
it wouldn't be the first time mafia tries to do that to me so it's always on my list of things to look after when they try to pull those
I dunno what it means/if it means anything too.
But if you were evil, knew of the NK, prepared to be suspected and had some shade thrown your way early as Mikey did, I'd think you'd mention the framing point in your very first post of the phase, not the third. So it looks slightly good for you, maybe.
Bolded the parts where my doubts on the matter were expressed. I was trying to start a conversation on the point, because I thought it could be a bit of an - admitedly dumb - towntell, but wasn't in any way sure of that. That's why you see all these "Dunno" and "Maybe". So no, I didn't give Ex town-cred for that. I was pondering on the chance and looking for takes on it.
Your answer to this would probably go along the way of "Even more lack of hard stances, huh?" to which I'd say, sure, I'm a flip-floppy player that needs people to talk with to figure things out.
Their unofficial vote on Mikey was semi policy, directly stating Millers need to be taken care of sooner or later, preferably sooner. Yet Reki has made no further mention of needing to take care of Miller Mikey, in fact going in the opposite direction of placing him in their Top 2 Gonna Bet my Bottom Dollar on Them and questioning Chevy when he was expressing interest in going after Mikey.
Promise I'm not trying to be cheeky here but you're really close to connecting the dots in Mikey's claims/agenda that literally explain this. I can't spell it out, sadly, but it's mostly in the thread. So please, give a quick read to the posts in which he lays it out.
And yes, I say that as someone who wanted Mikey dead earlier and still believes that the blunt fishing was shady and a bit rude.
yet in 611 they made a point to call Johnny's behavior out
I think nobody can dispute what Kirino brought up at the time, which was that Johnny's push was lacking in substance/conviction. At the time I only knew of the name, and we've been told we can't trust that to make alignment conclusions, so I made that question to see if I could figure out what they were trying to do.
The votes came in after this, but I was away from the PC.
Then there's the claim of redirections happening Night 1 that Reki never bothered to return to. This started with Reki saying something happened to them but they can't elaborate yet.
In Reki's last post of the day we are told redirection shenanigans happened and they can't elaborate further. Today we hear nothing of that.
It's in my claim post. If I can't elaborate it's for a reason, so you bringing up that I've been admittedly coy about some stuff is a bit rich considering how much we know about your role and your recent "I have my reasons", don't you think?
The other target is Jinjo. With a killing ability. On the night Jinjo died. Seems like that one wasn't redirected either. Just saying.
Knowing they targeted Jinjo with a kill ability. Seems kinda like that might have been a pertinent time to claim if you're a supposed town vig. But what do I know. I'm just a clay pot.
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You're also not explaining how it makes any sense for evil!me to claim to have targeted someone with a killing power the same night they died.
Overall I think you point out at parts where you say I've been inconsistent/shady, yet don't make a case as to why that could come/be convenient from a mafia perspective. Like, the Mikey failed vote is weird, sure, but doesn't make any sense for me to attempt if I knew a partner was going to flip anyways. Someone who also shaded me at the very end for the Kirino vote.
I'm not the most invested person in this game, even with killing a wolf day 1