Spoiler Could Agahnim Be Ganondorf?

[Hero_in_Green]

I was thinking lately, could Agahnim actually BE Ganondorf? It is known that Agahnim was a doppleganger of Ganon as he was being controlled to take over the Light world which Ganon couldn't physically reach in a Link to the Past. After he is defeated for a second time, Agahnim laughs, turns into a black blob and crashes through the top pf the Pyramid of Power. So i was wondering if Agahnim was indeed what Ganondorf looked like in a Link to the Past before his pig form. He is wearing desert type clothing like a type of Gerudo fashion and it is believed that both Agahnim and Ganondorf are pretty much the same people in accordance to the final sequences of the game.

I want to know what you guys think.

 

[GerudoDesert]

Ganondorf was released by Agahnim. After you defeat Agahnim for the second time, a bat comes out of him. Most likely, Ganondorf took over Agahnim's body to guarantee Link would fail. The bat takes Link to the top of the tower, crashes into it, and leaves a hole for Link to go into.

 

[Locke]

Ganon describes Agahnim as his "bunshin," or "soul-split." Agahnim was created by Ganon to serve as his means of operating in the Light World. So yes, Agahnim is Ganon, or at least a part of him.

 

[JuicieJ]

Agahnim is directly stated to just be an extension of Ganon. His "alter ego." He's just some being created by Ganon, who is Ganondorf. He can't split himself like that. Ganon and Ganondorf are one-in-the-same. Just like when Link turns into a bunny in the game. Or when he turns into a wolf in TP.

 

[GerudoDesert]

Agahnim is directly stated to just be an extension of Ganon. His "alter ego." He's just some being created by Ganon, who is Ganondorf. He can't split himself like that. Ganon and Ganondorf are one-in-the-same. Just like when Link turns into a bunny in the game. Or when he turns into a wolf in TP.

That confused me a little bit.. So basicly, Ganondorf created Agahnim so if Ganondorf was ever caught, Agahnim would save him? o_o

 

[JuicieJ]

That confused me a little bit.. So basicly, Ganondorf created Agahnim so if Ganondorf was ever caught, Agahnim would save him? o_o

Um.......??? No. Whatever that means, no. I'm saying that Agahnim is just an extension of Ganon. He created him out of his power. I don't know why you think I said something like that, but what I'm saying about Ganondorf/Ganon is that they are the same being. Ganon is just Ganondorf transformed into a pig-beast.

 

[GerudoDesert]

Um.......??? No. Whatever that means, no. I'm saying that Agahnim is just an extension of Ganon. He created him out of his power. I don't know why you think I said something like that, but what I'm saying about Ganondorf/Ganon is that they are the same being. Ganon is just Ganondorf transformed into a pig-beast.

I'm sorry for making my question confusing. I wasn't talking about Ganon or Ganondorf, I know the difference between them. I was just confused on whether Agahnim was an actual person or whether he is under Ganondorfs power, almost like a puppet. Ex; Phantom Ganon.

 

[JuicieJ]

I'm sorry for making my question confusing. I wasn't talking about Ganon or Ganondorf, I know the difference between them. I was just confused on whether Agahnim was an actual person or whether he is under Ganondorfs power, almost like a puppet. Ex; Phantom Ganon.

Ah. Well, we don't exactly know, but I would say he's not exactly a real person, as he was created by Ganon's dark magic, not born. He's definitely a being, but I would say not human.

 

[Unlucky Monkey]

It may be non canon, but in the manga, there is a large backstory of Agahnim. He was also the one who killed or injured Links uncle (and it is mentioned that he was a friend to Links father).

Anyway. For me, he is one of the most mysterious characters in the Zelda Universe. I really like these kind of characters. The theory that he is some kind of Ganons alter ego sounds solid. But I'm not really into this theory.

 

[angelkid]

Um.......??? No. Whatever that means, no. I'm saying that Agahnim is just an extension of Ganon. He created him out of his power. I don't know why you think I said something like that, but what I'm saying about Ganondorf/Ganon is that they are the same being. Ganon is just Ganondorf transformed into a pig-beast.

While I don't really think this is what you were getting at, it is partially true. The way I see it Ganon/dorf created Agahnim as an extention of himself (whether he actually fully created Agahnim or just possessed an already existing being I am unsure) and while his intention was not to use him in case Ganon/dorf got caught, but to fulfill his orders while Ganon/dorf was trapped in the dark realm, were he to get caught, Agahnim would indeed be an invaluable asset.

I'd say that Agahnim IS Ganon but I'm not clear if he is just a shell for Ganon's conscious or literally of Ganon's being as I have not played ALttP in a LONG time.

 

[Djinn]

The more direct translation I have read here which is a better translation than the one Nintendo of America did, was this.

I never thought that a kid like you would be able to back me this far into a corner!

To think that you drove off, twice, my other self, the dark priest Aghanim...
But, I won't give you the Triforce.

I am determined to beat you and make my wish to rule the two worlds, Light and Dark, unfailingly come true!

With some notes on it being,

分身 (ぶんしん, bunshin) is like a copy, or your other self, or when you split yourself into two people. It implies that Ganon and Agahnim were the same thing in a way. For example, bunshin is used in OoT to describe one of the Poe bosses in the Forest Temple: "Meg - one of the Poe sisters. If she splits into multiple images, you need to figure out which one is the real one." So Agahnim is kind of like a copy or shadow of Ganon.

NOA using the term alter ego did cause some confusion on the real nature of Agahaim. Then later a maga was released which gave an origin to Link's father who grew up with Agahnim. This has caused people to believe that Agahnim was either Ganon in disguise in the Light World, or a Hylian sorcerer possessed by Ganon's spirit. But based on this understanding of the term bunshin, it can be concluded that Agahnim was a creation of Ganon to be capable of influencing the Light World while remaining in the Dark World. The seal of the seven sages was still there at the time of the game before the kidnapping of the maidens so Ganon could not fully enter the world. Some better translations of what the rescued maidens tell you concludes that Ganon could not leave the enclosure of the Dark world. So the creation of Agahnim was necessary to enter the Light World and break the seal.

 

[Capitaine]

The relationship between Agahnim and Ganon is the same as the relationship between Ceila and the Spirit of Courage, as well as the relationship between Oshus and the Ocean King. They split their souls to exist outside of their seals.

 

[JuicieJ]

The relationship between Agahnim and Ganon is the same as the relationship between Ceila and the Spirit of Courage, as well as the relationship between Oshus and the Ocean King. They split their souls to exist outside of their seals.

I wouldn't say it's exactly like that, but it's definitely a very similar concept. It's different as in that Ganon didn't lose any of his power upon "creating" Agahnim.

 

[Capitaine]

Yeah, that's true, but I remember reading that the Japanese word "bunshin" is used to describe the soul-splits in all three cases.

 

[GoldenWolf12]

Agahnim appears to be Sheikah, as he has the Sheikah eye on his chest but that could just be a coincedence. I personally don't believe so since that would mean one of two things: Ganondorf and Ganon are different and Ganondorf is a servant of Ganon, or Ganon can be in two places at once.