my understanding was this wasn't allowed
i feel like this generally isn't true. ZD in general seems to have trouble designing balanced games and so i can imagine it might be the case here sometimes. On most of the sites i've played on though games are designed so that they can't be solved mechanically and that reads are necessary. I've also never personally seen a forum mafia game where people don't engage in deep thinking and do things like wagon or tone analysis to try and determine people's alignment. I have seen those kinds of things eschewed in some chat mafia settings though, like epicmafia or town of salem, and I enjoy those games less because of it, so i see where you're coming from.
Discussion on roles spurred by Ex, seems fine and is part of the discussions that broke us out of RVS, in my mind. Nothing remarkable though.
if you said "i'm going to target funnier tonight" then it would be the same as claiming "i have a role that can target funnier tonight" which would definitely be a claim about your role. Depending on the context it might further act as a soft (ie: if funnier was the top wagon when you said it people might speculate that you said that with the intent of communicating that it would be better not to lynch funnier today because of your role)
A follow up to the same discussion from the quote above, if anything it's good if Ex is Town because she talked him out of ideas on how to soft which isn't something we should be trying to rely on considering the rules. But overall, meh. I think at the time it was these posts I was liking that made me intially feel om about Rag, but in hindsight it's not as great as I was feeling at the time.
in any case it seems to go against the general spirit of having game discussion not be about roles at all and instead be about player actions, so i imagine bok wouldn't be happy with it.
Another follow up to Ex.
Directed at Chevy when he became a talking point.
someone in your position might be scared when they suddenly become the topic of discussion
More engagement with Chevy.
why would it be your fault if you were lynched and not the fault of the people misreading you?
Again, towards Chevy.
I feel like in a situation where someone is thought to be lying and punished for it, but was actually telling the truth, that people wouldn't typically blame the person who was telling the truth for "getting into a situation where they were branded as a liar"
It doesn't in reality, but it might describe how chevy sees it (people misreading him for his initial attack and then lynching him as a result is akin to people punishing someone for lying when they didn't). I don't think anyone is actually scumreading them though, so it doesn't really match in this case. If chevy was feeling persecuted as a result of the comments being made about them then it might have described their situation from their perspective though.
Ok, with everything on Chevy piled together my final thoughts are probably in line with Kirino and Minish now. It's sort of CWAC, I krpt thinling at the time her concern over Chevy probably comes from a legitimate townie mindset, but overall the content is mainly one line interactions asking him how he feels, and then analysis on why he might have done the things he did from his mindset. It would probably be really good content if Chevy was a wagon at the time, but pretty much everyone chalked it up to him being new.
how does it remind you of that game, or is it just a vibes thing?
fwiw i can't control my meta, if i could i'd have a much more successful track record as scum. Its just that my play isn't absolutely invariable as either alignment and so there are going to be exceptions.
with that said I think my play this game so far matches my scum meta much more than my town meta. I haven't attacked anyone and that should probably be a big red flag in theory. In reality its just an exception though. As town my plan of attack day 1 is to wait until someone pings me and then relentlessly attack them for the rest of the game in an effort to read and possibly kill them. Chevy and SMS both pinged me (chevy b/c they seemed to feel guilty at having received attention and persecution complexes are more common among scum than among town ime and SMS b/c they said they liked my contributions despite my having not contributed anything, which struck me as them wanting to throw a read out without it being substantiated). In both cases their followup made me lose interest though, and no one else has really stuck out so far.
Admits her press on Chevy came from a mindset thst he might be scum, I guess? Had a similar concern on me from my early analysis where I said Rag was giving me good vibes because she was at least contributing. Also admits she is playing within her scum meta. Idk how to take that atm.
i can't remember much about that game but my recollection of how i approached the thread was that most of what i said served the purpose of either gathering information or conditioning people to be more receptive towards the rebellion. I did do some camoflauging that game but probably not a lot of it, and most if not all of the questioning i did probably served the purpose of information gathering or advancing the gamestate rather than diverting attention away from me.
Its been a while though
Stuff about that NGA, matbe useful insight l, idk.
Unvote, Vote: Libk
libk hasn't really said enough all game to be readable but thats probably a good enough reason to lynch them and it beats letting myself be lynched
Decides to vote Libk because he hasn't said much and wants to self preserve.
for what its worth, i probably wouldn't. I appreciate the compliment but I don't think that calling your own play scummy makes you look good. Some percentage of players might heistantly town-read you for it but in general its the kind of statement that will leave people feeling uncomfortable about you, I think.
Her most recent post, the whole debate of would someone say they are being scummy as scum or not is all just wifom and ultimately can go either way. The thing is I could totally see this being something scum Rag would bring up and I think
she did some similar gambits in Spider Man Mafia?
Considering I still feel good about Kirino, and Minish's conviction on her own reads, and after this ISO, I'm thinking Rag is maybe the best option today.