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Yeah. She didn't say anything about it in the scumchat so we had no idea what was going on there.

GG town, had a lot of fun this game. Also thanks so much to a'lana, you were really great to work with as scum. I think the balance was probably fine? Three wolves in eleven players doesn't seem all that wild to me, especially since we didn't have a way to counter the protection at all. I don't...

I can't see Mikey scum here due to the blocked nightkills, so that leaves me at Ex, Seanzie and a'lana. I think Ex kinda has to be scum here? Like Minish said Sean and a'lana's D2 votes look unpaired but Ex can be wiyh either of them. Night 1 still has me having a bit of second thoughts on him...

That does not really match with my experience but okay. I can't see Ex being the type of person who decides to just pretend to be drunk.

Really? I'd think being drunk would make someone more likely to AtE regardless of their alignment.

I think it was Dark Souls? He self-voted and threw a fit as scum when people were trying to lynch him D1.

Ex AtE is NAI. He AtE's a lot and also he's drunk so it's probablt extra NAI. Noted, but I was kinda hoping this would come from basically anyone else because this sorta thing in reference to yourself is WIFOM as heck.

I do think Neon is a pretty good choice today regardless, Ex is right that her vote does seem opportunistic without any explanation and maybe he's right that she shoots him. Also having thought about it some yeah it probably just makes the most sense for Ex to be town and shot at considering...

You've been scumreading her like all game right? Does Neon seem like the type of player who shoots at you twice in a row knowing it'll point to her? Nightkills WIFOMy admittedly though so it's pretty hard to say.

Yeah I meant Seanzie and Neon there.

Honestly I don't see any reason not to assume this was the case unless you'd stated otherwise? Hm. Either Ex is scum and the strongman, his buddy did the kill night one and he took it nights 2/3, or Ex is town and Mafia really want him dead. If Ex is scum I still feel like it's with a'lana or...

They might be scum and I wouldn't be surprised if they were but they also might actually have a reason and I'd like to at least hear it out.

I don't think I caught the reasoning for either of these? Can you two elaborate?

I can't read any of this Ex.

This is a good post. Hm. I think it moves my feelings on you being the most likely scum, but I think if you turn out to be town after all I'll definitely take this into consideration. What's felt pockety? Also Ex are you okay.

Honestly I feel like I'm probably presenting it more heavily than I actually have it weighted? Like the main thing for Neon is that her Rag vote does not strike me as bussy. I still probably see it as more important than you do but it's not the biggest thing. Post 577 page 39

It wasn't broken open sure but it still created more non-fluff content than anything else up to that point, like flat out nothing was happening. I do admittedly feel like I remember more reactions but okay. And yeah I think Ex is right about Mikey's vig this being townie so it's certainly more...

Literally the only person saying "vig this" with any sort of conviction was Mikey. Plus like I said at the time there's a decent chance of no vig in a vanilla game so I think Mafia benefits from taking that risk when most other reactions are "yeah I buy this". And no I wasn't the only one who...

There were absolutely reactions to it, I wanna say like half that game almost reacted before she retracted it? Honestly I think retracting it easily makes it more townie on the given that a lot of people were trusting it so Mafia would've probably benefited more by just leaving it out there. Idk...

Literally all of them? We were in like exact agreement on Kirino and I liked her spew read on Rubik even though I disagreed with it, and I also get her having Neon listed as scummy for not being obvtown like she normally is vs the cases of Neon being scum because her Rag vote is bussy which is...

Oh right Neon's a'lana read D2 was another thing of hers I liked. It was an interesting perspective on the slot that I felt like comes from a town mindset.

Neon I really liked her D1; the fakeclaim with the Miller Lynchproof for reacts was good and I did not find her vote on Rag bussy. I'm still weirdly attached to this read even though honestly not much since than has made me really want to townread her more but I haven't felt like anything's made...

Oh okay makes sense. That's on me for not looking at timestamps.

Not usually but I also don't really feel like I have much on anyone so. I'm utterly terrible at recognizing jokes. My bad. It is weird. You had him as like your top townread, so even if as town you can't get a different wagon, I just feel like it makes more sense to keep trying to push...

DW Mikey Minish Ex Neon a'lana Seanzie I still kinda want to tr Neon but I also still need to reread her and I'm a bit less confident in her towniness than other people's. Same with a'lana but even less confident.

Alright: -Lack of any attempt at explanation for the KJ vote early Day 1. I know this didn't ping me at the time but it's bugging me now so I'm including it. -This: Is just weird. -Two separate posts asking who you should vote for rather than attempting to find scum yourself. -Self-pres onto...

Honestly it's mostly cause I feel like everyone else has been pretty townie. You've also done some things that I remember pinging me though admittedly I don't remember the specifics and don't have notes. I'll do a quick skimthrough to see if I can find them.

Oh there's one more page how'd I miss that. Seanzie's out of nowhere vote on Minish is weird as heck, I don't think I've seen him scumreading Minish like at all before now. Ex makes a good point about Minish's comment about Mikey's PR soft which did not occur to me. I think considering that...

Yeah seconding this, I hadn't thought of that so I'm doubly inclined to want Mikey's targets for this. DW's favourite part of being scum is scum theatre. I'm not as sold on town Ex as you and obviously I know I'm town. But I do pretty much agree with your list of nonlinked players. I don't...

I think Mikey's probably telling the truth about this? I don't feel like I've seen much indication of another way the kills could've been stopped. That said, while I do think it's probably best for Mikey to claim his targets at this point just because I feel like that's usually best once you've...

I guess. I don't usually like hammers but you are right that nothing's really been happening. I think that I've covered everything I have to say currently? So I guess I might as well. Vote: Kirino

If Kirino's scum I'm not sure who the third scum is? Probably not Seanzie I think? He self-presed yesterday so my earlier theory about him being Jester is probably wrong so I can see him as scum but I don't think he tries to hammer his buddy as soon as day start. So I can see them both as scum...

I do think Ex is right that 3 scum makes the most sense with the flavor spec we've had so far? The scum flip we've had seems to track with what Neon mentioned about the Three Kings arc based on quickly skimming the articles she linked.

I said yesterday I don't really mind Kirino's play and I kinda stand by that. But I also see literally nowhere better to go? Like I don't think Kirino looks that scummy but nobody really does. I'm not gonna vote because hammer but I do think it this is probably the lynch at the moment.

I agree with what others said that this is actually a pretty good read. A'lana was pretty upset about the corpse lynching I believe, so I definitely see how you got to your initial scumread-- but her not being upset about this probably tracks better with her being town like you said. Yeah I...

The latter seems like a far more intuitive reading to me? Hm, maybe? But the length of time he was leading despite being an RVS wagon might mean that wasn't how scum felt the case was... As I believe I've already said I do think it's odd that Rag would self-vote there instead of finding a town...

Oh I just realized: Neon you never said what your reason for scumleaning a'lana was, you want to elaborate on that?

...how does it not. A game ending Jester I can see not making sense which is why I was willing to vote you yesterday but your average run of the mill die, win, game continues Jester seems pretty sensible. ...eh, I've seen scum try to save a self-voting teammate a few times I think. Hm, maybe...

Look again.

... I did vote yesterday? I voted Seanzie in my last post because I didn't really have any confident scumreads and I like helping non-hostile 3ps.

Rubik was leading, only by one vote but not a lot of people were really voting at all so.

Yeah seconding Ex that the way that wagon developed was super weird, it being a planned bus makes a lot of sense. I feel like Neon PLing self-voters is something she's mentioned she tries to do before though? So I feel like with that in mind her vote is probably NAI. I think it being to save...

Yeah I didn't have a ton to say at the time of that post, but I was getting ready for bed and figured I should do a quick catch-up and post whatever thoughts I had before I went. ...it's usually true? Usually if people are saying that they're telling the truth about it even if they are scum. I...

Yeah definitely, I wasn't too worried about it initially but its kinda weird that people are still sitting on it for the meme? I don't have a great sense of Rubik yet but I don't like the idea of an RVS wagon accidentally becoming the actual lynch. Rag self-voting out of nowhere is pretty...

Huh, okay. I hadn't really noticed that engagement difference based on that aspect of the games... though I don't really see that as proof of his point? Yeah it might suggest a higher activity could be expected from you in a more normal game like this one but I think it still indicates that...

I... wouldn't say its a vehement defense. I just don't think Ex's postcount is worth considering for judging his alignment, and I certainly don't think it should be your apparent sole point of reference for it. I'm not convinced he's town in the slightest, I just think the case you have on him...

Postcounts from the past few games I've played with ExLight on sites that have a convenient postcount system: Ex wasn't the top poster in a single one of these games, and for the most part his counts in all of these games tends to sit around the same range. He was scum in BDSP and Dark Souls...

What're your thoughts on KillJoy's claim?

I hope you're not super serious about this, because that is pretty terrible if you are. Ex is usually a pretty high post-count player but honestly I think it's been a fair few games since I've seen him be the top poster so like, Ex not being the highest poster in the game can't be considered a...

Yeah I don't think I've ever seen Rag jump in a right off the bat. I feel like she's usually in the thread a little bit more than at this point but I don't really think it's particularly AI. Yeah I think I get what you're coming from, I think we just kinda have different power levels to draw...