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This is about as far as I go today as well. @Ragnarokio is Ex's self vote and my vote on Uwu not counting accurate? Unvote. Vote Mikey. That just feels better.

You being dead tomorrow skyrockets the chance of town losing. I'm operating under the principal of threats to scum vs non. I think you see this as me seeing LyLo being further out than parity but I'm actually seeing it as closer. By my estimation we could be as little as two deaths (this is...

Nah you want it too much.

Theoretically my role has the power to rob this game of every single lynch it has had or will have, provided enough time and energy was devoted to it. The only argument that can be made is that scum has more time or energy to devote than I do.

Can they though? How quickly your forget what I do.

Nah I'm interpreting it as the roles present that could stop them from killing have been taken care of (ie doctor, me shanghai'ing every lynch to prevent them from utilizing that, etc). Mikey intentionally didn't go into the details of wounding. He essentially said "if you know, you know."...

The mafia's win con is in the OP. It says they need to remove threats to the mafia, not achieve parity. This changes how LyLo will work. Mafia wins by removing designed targets, not just any ol' person they want to. If, by design, you are a threat to the mafia, town removing you now directly...

I'm not going to be around for EoD, so that's a non issue. I think your worry is pointless though. As I've been talking about lately mafia's win is removing all threats so they already have a set number of people they need to eliminate. This makes LyLo a completely different beast for the game...

Of course.

OP has the mafia win con as eliminating all threats to the mafia, which is why I asked. It's also why I stated that while it may seem like you can win with either side you might not actually be able to if mafia see you as a threat, provided you aren't removed upon completing your win con...

@Spiritual Mask Salesman what's ZD's standard mafia win con wording?

They should probably not name claim. Anybody that hasn't already probably shouldn't until Reki gives their second name cop target and result. If everybody throws out their names before then we completely lose the ability to semi verify the ability. Second question is super valid though.

What I gain is the wrong question. The right question is what does town gain by me doing this. The answer is also nothing. As I've pointed out other statements I've made have invalidated my results already so there's nothing for town to gleam from my participation. If we assume 2 scum and one...

Reki claimed two actives and a passive (unstated). The first targets to reveal a players rolename with the option of targeting a second time to learn alignment. The second is a vig variant. Both are unverified abilities.

I'm unconcerned with the LD because I've been pretty openly lying about my role the entire game (because I'm a clay pot). A wide reaching net like Ex claimed isn't likely to go through each person's post and specify where they lied. Since I would have already red flagged myself there's no point...

Nah, I understand them feels. I feel like everybody would be remiss if we didn't keep a watchful eye though. Also just because you can win with anybody from your perspective doesn't mean everybody can win with you from theirs. @Reki, I didn't. I have my reasons for being unconcerned with being...

Hey @ExLight do you know what you redirected with the mirror shield? To everybody in general, is the mafia win con in the OP how you guys typical word it? I'm really only looking at Reki and SmS today. Reki for my previous post. SmS because I feel like he is far more invested than his...

The Spoiler above are the notes I took on each of Reki's posts. The main crux of Reki's activity is asking questions and then doing nothing with the answers, seemingly. They have only laid down two votes through the course of the game so far, one seemingly for pressure on Kirino which was...

Or you could just ask. Mostly I just ****ed around with it since it's easily undone. Where I did heavily use it was when it seemed like Chevy was the Lynch frontrunner day 1 (which is why my wagon grew to rival his pretty quickly and redirects didn't come as heavy once he wasn't in danger...

Also I should probably mention (although likely unnecessarily) your lie detector is shot already for today.

If you got the master sword as an item I doubt it'd be a role as well. Also Zelda (girl girl) confirmed scum? /Joke.

Why wait so long to use it?

Alright I guess if it's that time....I'm a clay pot.

unvote. Vote: Reki Figured that would happen.

Vote: Reki I'm going with the left field vote. I don't particularly like either Viral or Ex wagon. Something just irks me about Reki's posts. So I'll follow my gut here.

Do you have a good reason for that no or just don't feel like it?

That was fun. But for reals the answer is "Yeah, I do." Hey Listen.

Yea I do

She recently tried to break a game with them so I'd say she's probably okay with it. Especially if it's a limited capacity. Pinky promise was fun, you guys missed out.

We use them on NGA with some minor frequency so I wouldn't put it outside of Rag's wheel house.

Hey listen, Mikey wants to be town read. He's not going to turn around and claim to not be town. Also if SMS is scum and controls the hit tonight he doesn't have to fear a lie detector.

Hey listen, I wouldn't necessarily agree. Scum!Reki can easily see at that point that KJ is going down. If Mikey is scum too, he's going to claim the town pants off of the bus so scum!Reki has no reason to twilight bandwagon as they won't be able to also go for the town pants. But a scum!Reki...

Hey, it's odd that you expect people not to vote for Ex if they're scum reading him just because Ex might name claim and die at some point. If he's scum he likely won't. He'll find a reason not to. Just like bussing it's not a foregone conclusion regardless of his alignment. The logistics will...

Why are you not having everybody say "I am town aligned." then? Seems more pertinent to clear the town and then make all the non town vie for not getting lynched.

He was named, yes. To answer Ex's question about character, I'm actually in Rag's boat of having only played the game a small amount over a decade ago. I was told he popped up, stared me down, then left. Somebody more familiar with the game might have a better idea on character. I initially...

Hey Listen, here's a list or something. 1: Killjoy - Dead Scum 2: Minish - True Neutral 3: Jinjo - Dead Town 4: Chevy - Probably Town 5: Mikey - Desperately wants to be Town Read 6: Uwu_Oocoo2 - Probably Town 7: Viral Maze - Set Up solving at least 8: SMS - Creeper 9: Exlight - slight town...

Hey Listen, if it's worded as an end of game status check you might have to watch out for tri-force thieves. People be out doing weird stuff at night, ya know?

Hey listen, some creeper stared at me for what's described as an uncomfortably long time last night.

What your actual post counts were are irrelevant to the fact you stated the last time you were top poster you were scum, then told Ex (I think that's who it was?) to do the math. It's clear your intention was to be town read for a lower post count. But you being acutely aware of that very meta...

Hey Listen. If that were true there would be no math to do, per the post in question.

Hey, I didn't say no effect, I said not much. If you stay quiet, town and the vig focus on scum hunting. If you get investigated later they are in the same position as if you claimed immediately. Additionally you were clearly in a position of drawing attention to yourself moreso than others to...

Hey Listen. Like I said I understand the logic behind the philosophy. But I don't think miller holds enough negative utility to warrant a mandatory claim. At worst you end up getting investigated and likely lynched if you're operating super scummily, but a claimed miller is likely lynched before...

Hey Listen, as somebody who absolutely doesn't know Mikey I agree with this assessment of the Too Poster Comment. The miller thing, for me, is essentially irrelevant. I understand why people think it would be good to reveal early but I'm not sure it actually has that much game effect. I am...

Hey listen, you know Min can live in a realm between having to be scum or confirmed town immediately right?

Hey Listen, with only like 12 hours left in day why are you utilizing your vote to poke SMS instead of laying down a final stance for the day?

Hey what I'm hearing is that you're acutely aware of how you play as scum and are deliberately not doing those things. Listen. Seems sus.

Hey listen! I don't know if I'd say vote hoppy newbs would even apply there. Chevy feels more like he's trying to game his role to me. KJ feels like he's simply trying to illicit a certain response from Chevy. If I was going to lean scum on one of them it would probably be KJ though. I also...

Hey, that was a joke because I noticed his member number is 15737. I broke the wrong half of the code though so that part still processed right. Listen, I have no reason to believe I am responsible which is why my doubt is so high. But unstated consequences are unstated consequences, you know?

I bjorked the **** out of that code.

Hey! I don't think I noticed before but looks like I might actually be SMS instead of Min. Listen, that was just a reference to the post I made saying I was 87% and change sure I wasn't responsible for the day shift because of that one post I forgot my heys and listens. The number was...