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  1. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    I didn't do role guesses because I thought I only got one every full d/n cycle until much later.
  2. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    You were like the lowest priority kill for literally everyone in that game, though.
  3. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    I thought he was a bomb until far too late, tbh, otherwise I would have fake claimed bomb probably. I don't understand why being a survivor gave funnier such an existential crisis.
  4. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    I didn't figure out Funnier's role until I copped him, though. (:
  5. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    1. Yes 2. No 3. Yes 4. Town needs less hard investigative power and less confirmable roles. There are a lot of ways to do it, but there wasn't really much room for scum or SK to fake their way into town's good graces and it really wasn't possible to eliminate those threats faster than they...
  6. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    Sk does have to keep mafia trimmed, but "confirmed town" is an even bigger threat.
  7. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    Outing yourself and killing scum faster meant that there would always be too much of a town majority for you to survive to end game. You needed more mislynches and for your deathproof to waste a lynch and basically extinction of all hard confirmed town to win, which was unlikely but possible...
  8. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    Scum had figured out minish was the SK before my rolecop ability developed based on the roleblock. I investigated minish n3 (who we then knew was 1x deathproof) and bluffed about having investigated thesunfan. I investigated funnier as requested the next night. On the offchance minish defected...
  9. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    There is nothing but virtue in my heart. (: We were playing this game around the hope of getting the dragon balls for a while but the existence of the vig and the host ability that triggered kind of messed that up. Minish killing hero and playing against her wincon essentially ended the game...
  10. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    Moe wanted me to kill funnier out of spite but I'm not that cruel. : )
  11. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    Also a mafia roleblocker could feasibly want to block their own faction's kill. It's unlikely, but possible.
  12. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    They can answer a question about how a hypothetical non-mafia roleblocker could work if they choose to. That's not abnormal. It's safe to assume that the mafia roleblocker was the one who blocked minish if you believe her testimony, which means it at least functions on SKs unless that was also...
  13. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    We have a revealed roleblocker who has flipped. There's no reason they can't answer that question about what should be public information given that the role is public knowledge.
  14. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    I like to tunnel on whatever feels scummy to me. :) Part of me likes the idea because there's a certain extra satisfaction to surviving the game, but practically speaking there's no reason to leave me alive overnight when we can instead kill both of us and leave nothing to chance. I'm not going...
  15. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    It's the timing of it that makes it less effective. They could have used a day bussing their scum bud but instead had to lynch a second member of their faction, effectively killing their chances of having enough members surviving until endgame. Imagine if Hero were lynched, caps was cop cleared...
  16. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    I don't think a town roleblocker is unbelievable, I think he's lying about being a roleblocker for fake townpants. It wouldn't be hard for scum to have two people claim roleblocker to ensure that one of them survives to endgame and the nk on hero probably made that plan slightly less effective...
  17. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    I mean, logically you should kill me, even if only to narrow the possibilities a bit more. Doing so clears TSF's role and eliminates one of the people with a role that fits into a standard scum team composition. That doesn't mean you shouldn't also try to kill Zinn because his roleblocker...
  18. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    Zinn is almost certainly the last scum, so I think tonight's plan should deal with that when his bluff fails. Idk how anyone could think he's town at this point.
  19. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Egg There's a whole page on the wiki about eggs for some reason.
  20. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    For example, my role cop saw "Survivor" from funnier. Idk what a cop would have seen but I imagine it would have only said that they weren't town/scum and not identified their win-con.
  21. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    For the sake of this game, it's possible that self-aligned is the "faction", in a sense, and serial killer is the role, which might also determine the win condition. My guess is that if Max had investigated either funnier or Minish they'd have showed up as third party, although I could be wrong.
  22. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    Vote: Moe I've never heard of a role anything like that.
  23. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    I mean, Minish was explicitly instructed to do so, it shouldn't be a surprise that she did. You're sick of my attitude? Imagine being me, I'm stuck with it 24/7. (:
  24. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    Zinn has admitted to targeting the nk target 3/4 nights and had given literally no mechanical proof that he's a roleblocker. Idk why no one seems to care.
  25. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    I don't think you're been towny all game and the POE is narrowing to the point where you're probably the second most likely to be scum after Moe, which means the two of you are most likely the last two remaining scum (unless it really is a 3 man scum game, which seems pretty imbalanced).
  26. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    As for Tristan saying he wasn't a threat, if I were scum and I had someone clear me based on the fact that my role is generally a town one without clearly explaining why, I might immediately nk them to ensure that my claim isn't challenged later game. That's the eventuality I was challenging...
  27. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    I literally had no idea what funnier was until tsf started singing eye of the tiger, and even then I wasn't positive. I'm not good at picking up soft claims because I don't come from a meta where you have to cryptically hint everything you want to communicate. (:
  28. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    I guess I must have missed it being scrapped just like you appear to have missed it being proposed in the first place. I'm fairly certain no other targets were proposed for me and I feel like it wouldn't be useful to target someone who was just going to get vigged or sk'd or copped in the night...
  29. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    Moe seems the most likely to be scum to me and Zinn is probably a close 2nd. Moe's role sounds like complete BS, frankly. I'm willing to entertain him a bit because we've got some room to work with here, but only so much. I don't see any confirmation of Zinn successfully using his ability this...
  30. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    I confirmed that funnier is just a survivor. Someone asked me to check him, so I did.
  31. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    SKs tend to have survival mechanics built in to make it possible for them to win.
  32. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    The only person anyone told me to check was funnier. If you'd stuck to Max it wouldn't have mattered, probably. I wanted to make sure Tristan wasn't killed to give funnier an alibi before he could clarify more because that was something no one else was checking. I don't think that's unreasonable.
  33. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    I'd rather check Minish and/or Moe first so that we don't have to wrongly kill a self aligned player and so that we aren't stuck with a SK in late game that might be more powerful than we are prepared for. I was expecting either Max or your watcher to go off today; I'm not sure why you...
  34. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    Strongman, bus driver, and 2nd role blocker could all have worked, maybe.
  35. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    I probably should have changed to a different target after TSF started singing eye of the tiger, but I wanted to make sure. Funnier is just a survivor.
  36. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    Gotenks isn't in the Android/Cell arc either, is he? He isn't born until after the time skip and participates in the fight against Buu. Can't really confirm our deny anything, sorry.
  37. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    Tristan's flip was VERY VERY surprising to me is probably the closest thing I can give to a clue. My role was immediately apparent to me after the flip.
  38. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    Vote: Caps The most likely scum are people with dubious claims or unclaimed roles and between the two players who haven't claimed yet, Caps looks much worse than LG does.
  39. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    The Sun Fan is a self-aligned watcher whose win condition is to bug you.
  40. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    I don't understand why someone would even lie about something like this.
  41. Rubik

    Game Thread Guess Your Role: Poke Ball Z Mafia (BMGf/ZD Crossover Event) Endgame: TBA, Town and Survivor Win! (11/7/19)

    None of these actions can be proven, fwiw. Two of your targets just happened to be the night kills, which seems pretty convenient. It's entirely possible you fake claimed roleblocker in the neighborhood to give yourself cover so that if the actual roleblocker flipped you'd have good cover to...
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