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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    She couldn't plan that because she modified my role mid game to implement the strike system. I guess she was worried the game wouldn't be town sided enough? :shrug:
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Ex can just stop being a drama mamma and vote himself if he wants to talk. :rolleyes:
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    It is. If you come across Isett or JD those are me as well.
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Do we have a count on how many times he was shot from not him sources? Cuz I'm thinking maybe he lied there to make himself look more invincible and could gift his lives and that's where the 1ups Min got earlier came from.
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Its behavior based as I see it. Caps and CL were solidly unpaired through behavior day 2 but into day 3 Caps quickly backed off of CL to go after KoD until KoD died and Caps had no choice but to fall back on CL. That speaks to me of cult trying to slow back out of the previous pushes but being...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Vote: Caps I'm not sure what the count on neon is currently and I ain't trying to hammer anybody this early. Also Caps is probably cult recruit all things considered so there's that. I do not have a role that can do that, no sir.
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    I don't think mass rezzing was discussed so I could see the logic in thinking Fext might be a sure shot resurrection n1 but the relynch value would probably be too high to lay cult there. Or at the very least he'd get nk'd to confirm he isn't cult in such a situation. So I don't see that play...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    If you wanna tinfoil that hard DW would also be back on the table with myself as well. Squid too, but that would be a weird ass shot to make.
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    No, I was speaking more of using a lyncher as an anti cult agency. Either by making the cult as a whole the lyncher target or the leader specifically without mentioning cult and making the lyncher secretly uncultable so nothing can swerve them from their course. A much more workable ruling out...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Agreed, which is why I prefaced it as a tinfoil. I don't think any of the rest of us had to do logic flips to get there since we were just speculating without knowing the specifics of KoD's role to begin with and without that knowledge it's going to continue to be speculation. Building off of...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    At least. In a standard KP game I'd expect a two person start to an expanding Mafia. With the high KP of this game it wouldn't surprise me for there to be more, especially with mass revival added in. So I'd say minimum we are looking for four (total) but probably be looking for like five scum if...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Not sure either. But a simile isn't a hard claim. So I'm like a lyncher. Except I'm not here to lynch my targets.
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Why worry about that when you can just hit the cult doc every night?
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    I know what it does. Ex should too. If he doesn't then it probably was redirected. @DawningWinds while I agree it's not likely Ex is cultable given his behavior at the start of the game against his claimed cult meta, that's hardly proven fact and so Ex has absolutely no room to stand on an out...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    He is talking about a deprogrammer. Cult Doctors are more typically called alarmists and work exactly like regular docs but they prevent a conversion from being successful rather than a kill. @ExLight I must have missed where Rag mod confirmed you today. Mind pointing that out? I mean mod...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    He revoted when he caught up to Rag's modkill post (post below). So the chain leading up to that counted as his second strike.
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    That would seem so. There are other post game start rules that are temporary and do not result in strikes though. So far they have presented as rules for night talking. I referred to the lot as sub rules earlier to distinguish them from the master list in the OP but that is not an official term...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    If KoD is just scum that can't be recruited though it's possible to see him rezzed without alignment change while players that are susceptible to it were rezzed and changed. I think waiting would be indicative of cult if it's reusable because town could pop it off every shot they get to act as a...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Thinking on this, we might be remiss if we don't consider that he just misunderstood his role. For example he may have been allowed to break the sub-rules of the game, specifically ones added post game start and merely took his role to being immune to all of the game rules. I'm not sure what, if...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Most of this is moot now that KoD is dead again, but the why CL is because he hasn't died yet or claimed survival from mystery shots. His general uncare as to appearing scummy is indicative that he might be one of the "immortals" of the game though so why not lynch the obv scum that might lead...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    I have no active way to kill anybody but given what my role is perceived to be you can probably connect the dots on how I would get them killed.
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Finally getting the picture that my purpose in the game is to expose and kill the immortals and now you're starting to sweat since you let it slip to DW that you're lynchproof eh?
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Have you seen the KP in this game?
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Storm isn't immortal, you just have to get him modkilled. Kinda like the OP implies. Kinda like I heavily pointed out was a game mechanic at the start of the game. Time to stop playing checkers, we are here to play chess.
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    I'm not a puppet master. Recheck the flip. Scum!KoD absolutely makes that play regardless of expected return simply because there's a possibility of resurrection either from known or unknown sources. The problem is Town!KoD makes the exact same play if they are telling the truth. KoD's claim...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Better question, why would you skip over lynching Mafia to lynch 3p? KoD is easy peasy. It's in question. Not a hard question, but a question none the less and we have ourselves a chat cop that can shed some light real easy on the answer. You should know this because they is you. Or is there a...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Vote: CL This slot is still very clearly scum.
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Brah, literally claimed to not be town like five posts before this. Do better mod confirmed town Exlight.
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Everything he's said so far has been 100% slander but he has an out since I'm not town anyways. He won't get the red check he wants though. I'm probably going to ball out from here so in case I die today: Ex is definitely Rag Cult. CL is probably a red check. If CL flips red Minish looks...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    This vote is super town. This vote is obv scum. Vote: Captain Lunch
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    It's probably because he's just making stuff up. Like when I asked him about the scum theater earlier and he just ignored the question entirely.
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Is there really a better place to park than your ass? :hug: <--visual representation Because I got jokes. I feel like this is missing steps. Which I missed initially too in that Fext was a networkerer (I don't recall who pointed that out originally), ie he creates networkers. I forget who...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    This post reminds of the type of people that say they are going out and then you say "hey while you're out can you pick up some milk?" And then they get all super dramatic and act like they can't do the stuff they were going to do because they have to go pick up milk right now blah blah blah...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    That was the idea that popped when CL mentioned rag cult out of the blue and why I considered it a possible slip. I asked for the vote because that was the quickest and easiest way to check on that possibility. If they couldn't physically vote for each other or if there was a penalty associated...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    When I said it was a social contract and not an alignment I meant that literally. Often it's not part of the game design it's used in. Here's a game in which Zinger suggests it early in day 1. Rag also talks extensively about rag cult in that game (io) so that was a lucky first pick from...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Kinda feel like everybody else should. Her argument is predicated in her being town which is fine for her making arguments on how she sees the game but holds no basis for anybody else for the simple fact that if Minish is red she represents the very "in trouble" scum she says doesn't exist in...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    *Joins the corner passing the tea and popcorn, wondering what drama we are looking at*
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    It's based on Rag's own play history, hence being dubbed Rag Cult. It's one of her babies.
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Rag cult isn't an alignment. It's a social contract. The players in Rag cult can be differing alignments but act as a unified block with the restrictions of not voting within the block or using non beneficial abilities on each other until all players outside of the block have been removed from...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    @ExLight you mind voting CL until a vote count to affirm you aren't rag cult together?
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Oh you mean that possibility I stated while also stating there were other possibilities that were just less likely, which is true because nine times out of ten uncultable innocent child isn't going to be the most likely scenario. That seems like a legit argument. Definitely. @ExLight just you! <3
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Probably more like trial separation? For personal reasons I'm going to say no? I don't see Rag leaving a 3 player consistent swing unchecked even in a possibly unbalanced game. So side effects may possibly vary or it may just be a limited shot, especially if she's Mafia. What friction? Also...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Me and KoD have been playing together for a multitude of years so our dynamic has naturally had many shifts in that time.
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Nah, because his point was valid so it's fine to expand upon it so everybody can make an informed decision for themselves. All I did last night was point out possibilities that scum could be taking because the reason anybody is added or removed from PoE should be able to stand up to minor...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Vote: Ex For self pres reasons. Ditto.
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    @Minish, a person's ability to convey their thoughts properly at any given time does not have a correlation to the soundness of said thoughts. I understood what Caps was getting at, I conveyed his thoughts better than he was in that moment. As supposed town that is afraid of mislynches I would...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    It's supposed to feel really weird. That's the joke. I guess we do have to go throw the song and dance number for your sake at least. The reason scum jump there is to cement a non shared alignment lynch. "But they're gonna look scummy so they wouldn't do that". I'm not gonna pop culture this...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Caps said I'm here to clean up his messes so imma fully butt into this conversation. The point is to convince people they aren't looking for Mafia. Plain and simple. It doesn't matter if it lasts forever, if you get even two days in where the focus isn't on lynching Mafia, you've given the team...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    No, no. I read where you said one post flipped him the only other person you've voiced serious suspicion on to probably town not gonna lynch. Given you saying you're town reading too many people I would figure you'd be more willing to move him from sus to null but still lynchable myself unless...
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    Game Thread Rag's CHAOS MAFIA √−i by Ragnarokio (NOT BY STORM) [GAME THREAD]

    Considering the other wagon was KoD I dunno why'd you self pres on Ex. KoD, however, was somebody you had been previously susing. And was a contentious character in his own right. This would have also created the competing wagons that are supposedly good for town and likely would have fractured...
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