Who was thrilled about the Sony PS4S and PS4 Pro event?

[Jamie]

Two different consoles.
Blue Ray players and DVD players have absolutely never been part of Nintendo's systems. You could never use commercial DVDs on a Nintendo system. So it is useless to have DVD Players and Blueray Players for Nintendo, as it is a very flawed and archaic way of storing games now. Cartridges will make faster load times, and lower tthe price of a system. As games are a Nintendo's system first priority.

With Sony, I expect that they give the most quality DVD/Blue Ray players that they can offer, as this is what they have always done. Plus, the XBOX Scorpio will have this same exact feature, something that Sony does not have.

This is just silliness. The lack of a DVD player on nintendo devices has been a common complaint. Just because they have always had this issue doesn't justify it.

What? The Xbox Scorpio's projected specifications are FAR greater than that of the PS4 Pro. Like, by a huge considerable margin.

You said the Xbox One S, not the Scorpio. The Scorpio hasn't even been announced.

 

[Viral Maze]

It will stream 4096 × 2160 pixels? That's pretty impressive.

I think most streaming services like Netflix only offer UHD, rather than full 4K so it'll stream in uhd but the games should be output in full 4k. Most likely it won't generate all games in full 4k but rather a lower resolution and then upscale the picture to fit on TV's as opposed to the TV upscaling it, thus reducing input lag.

 

[Dio]

This is just silliness. The lack of a DVD player on nintendo devices has been a common complaint. Just because they have always had this issue doesn't justify it.


You said the Xbox One S, not the Scorpio. The Scorpio hasn't even been announced.

Yeah Nintendo's consoles should have Blu Ray and DVD. Part of Xbox and Ps's appeal is that they are multimedia players as well as just consoles. If you just go with Nintendo you need two devices if you want to watch DVD's and minimalism is the way forward. Less devices, less clutter = better.


The Scorpio was announced at Microsoft's E3 this year.

 

[Jamie]

Yeah Nintendo's consoles should have Blu Ray and DVD. Part of Xbox and Ps's appeal is that they are multimedia players as well as just consoles. If you just go with Nintendo you need two devices if you want to watch DVD's and minimalism is the way forward. Less devices, less clutter = better.


The Scorpio was announced at Microsoft's E3 this year.

Sorry, by announced I meant a fill spec list with release and stuff like Xbox one s and ps4 pro

 

[Lozjam]

This is just silliness. The lack of a DVD player on nintendo devices has been a common complaint. Just because they have always had this issue doesn't justify it.


You said the Xbox One S, not the Scorpio. The Scorpio hasn't even been announced.

If the rumors are true, really is a 3DS successor however. I have never seen anyone wish that they had DVD players on their 3DS for example.

Cartridges are also far superior to Blue Ray disks for games as well.

Sorry, by announced I meant a fill spec list with release and stuff like Xbox one s and ps4 pro

Microsoft again, went over some of the specs of the XBOS. They announced that the Scorpio has 6 terraflops of graphical performance, 5 times that of the XBO and more importantly, 2/3rd's more powerful than the PS4 Pro.

Games will run at a 60 HZ Refresh rate(so 60 frames per second).

These are things that the PS4 Pro will not be able to consistently do.

With Sony and Microsoft, there really aren't exclusive games anymore... So you have to judge which console to get based on which machine is better. That is why the XBO has barely sold more than the GameCube, and the PS4 took lead in sales. Now the exact opposite will hold true if this trend is followed..

 

[Viral Maze]

I'm going on the other side of the fence here and going to say the NX doesn't need a bluray drive as it doesn't use bluray discs as it's medium of choice for games. The PS4pro using bluray, should have included a 4k bluray player as it's geared as a higher end model that does 4k and should reflect as such with a uhd bluray drive.
The NX not having a bluray drive doesn't make it worse, but gives it less value overall and less bang for your buck. It hurts the console, but doesn't make it ****ty or bad in anyway.

 

[the8thark]

Yeah Nintendo's consoles should have Blu Ray and DVD. Part of Xbox and Ps's appeal is that they are multimedia players as well as just consoles. If you just go with Nintendo you need two devices if you want to watch DVD's and minimalism is the way forward. Less devices, less clutter = better.

Nintendo will not do Blu-ray for the forseeable future for the same reason Apple will not. Steve Jobs summed it up when he said:

"Blu-ray is just a bag of hurt. It's great to watch the movies, but the licensing of the tech is so complex, we're waiting till things settle down and Blu-ray takes off in the marketplace."

Blu-ray has taken off but the licensing of the tech is no better today than it was back then.

 

[Jamie]

If the rumors are true, really is a 3DS successor however. I have never seen anyone wish that they had DVD players on their 3DS for example.

Cartridges are also far superior to Blue Ray disks for games as well.

Microsoft again, went over some of the specs of the XBOS. They announced that the Scorpio has 6 terraflops of graphical performance, 5 times that of the XBO and more importantly, 2/3rd's more powerful than the PS4 Pro.

Games will run at a 60 HZ Refresh rate(so 60 frames per second).

These are things that the PS4 Pro will not be able to consistently do.

With Sony and Microsoft, there really aren't exclusive games anymore... So you have to judge which console to get based on which machine is better. That is why the XBO has barely sold more than the GameCube, and the PS4 took lead in sales. Now the exact opposite will hold true if this trend is followed..

So what about the Wii U? Certainly it should have played DVDs and Blu Ray.

Again, you said Xbox One S, not Scorpio. Furthermore, it doesn't have 2/3rds more TFLOPs, the ps4 pro has 4.3 so 6 is not even one half more.

Also, that's such a silly measurement of performance, it's only graphical speed. Do you really think the Scorpio is literally 6x as graphically capable as the Xbox One? That's literally impossible. That's just one statistic.

 

[Jamie]

Would like to add that 60fps will be no issue whatsoever for the PS4 Pro.

 

[CrimsonCavalier]

With Sony and Microsoft, there really aren't exclusive games anymore... So you have to judge which console to get based on which machine is better. That is why the XBO has barely sold more than the GameCube, and the PS4 took lead in sales. Now the exact opposite will hold true if this trend is followed..

If it were a brand-new console, maybe. But they're really just upgrades of already-existing consoles. No way the XBOX brand is going to overtake the PlayStation brand in this generation, at this point. It would take something very special for Sony to "lose" this gen.

 

[Sydney]

so a thin PS4 or a PS4 with better ??? graphics??? whoa man such great options

wake me up when PS5 is announced kthxbye

 

[the8thark]

so a thin PS4 or a PS4 with better ??? graphics??? whoa man such great options

wake me up when PS5 is announced kthxbye

This is exactly how a lot of people are thinking. It's not a good thing for Sony. Also when your main difference between the console generations (ie PS2 to PS3 to PS4) is the internal cpu/gpu grunt as not how you interact with the console as that's been basically the same for a long time now), not getting the PS community totally hyped about the Slim and Pro is really not a good sign for Sony.

The Pro - That's a gread console, but for the majority of us that don't own a UHD TV, what's the point to buy it when we already have a PS4 standard?
The slim - Great for thgose who do not own a PS4 now, that's what they should be wanting. But for the millions who already own a PS4 standard? What's the difference? $299 for slightly less power consumption and a smaller desk footprint? Just not worth it. People will stick with their PS4 standard and save themselves $299.

Sony didn't give us a really good reason to buy either.

If it were a brand-new console, maybe. But they're really just upgrades of already-existing consoles. No way the XBOX brand is going to overtake the PlayStation brand in this generation, at this point. It would take something very special for Sony to "lose" this gen.

Well if you are going by console sales figures then sure the PS4 has the highest number there. But the PS4S and PS4P will likely to damage to the PS as a product line. It will eat into the profits that the PS4 did to get Sony's gaming division profitable again. Sony really is not winning by all that much if you look at the only true way of measuring, profits. Sony's Gaming Division was roughly on par with Nintendo for profits. Both were in the red and only recently both turned a profit again. I do believe Nintend has gone backwards a little since then and is hoping that the NX sales will make up for that. Sony just accepts it's gaming division for what it is and when that division is doing poorly the rest of Sony bankroll the gaming division to keep it afloat.

Yep Sony's PS4 outsold the XB1 and WiiU by a huge margin but Sony's gaming division did not out profit Nintendo by the same amount. Proof that high sales are not always as amazing as they sound on paper. Based of profits, Sony's gaming division has still own this generattion, by a very slim margin. That is assuming the Xbox division in MS is not doing super well profitwise. Hard to get and concrete Xbox division profit results. But the info I have gathered has said that Nintendo and Sony's gaming division is doing better than MS's Xbox division.

You lose a generation when you don't make profit. As we are talking 3x businesses here. This means all 3 can win and all 3 can lose. All depends on the individual profits each make or the loses they make.

 

[CrimsonCavalier]

Well if you are going by console sales figures then sure the PS4 has the highest number there. But the PS4S and PS4P will likely to damage to the PS as a product line. It will eat into the profits that the PS4 did to get Sony's gaming division profitable again. Sony really is not winning by all that much if you look at the only true way of measuring, profits. Sony's Gaming Division was roughly on par with Nintendo for profits. Both were in the red and only recently both turned a profit again. I do believe Nintend has gone backwards a little since then and is hoping that the NX sales will make up for that. Sony just accepts it's gaming division for what it is and when that division is doing poorly the rest of Sony bankroll the gaming division to keep it afloat.

Yep Sony's PS4 outsold the XB1 and WiiU by a huge margin but Sony's gaming division did not out profit Nintendo by the same amount. Proof that high sales are not always as amazing as they sound on paper. Based of profits, Sony's gaming division has still own this generattion, by a very slim margin. That is assuming the Xbox division in MS is not doing super well profitwise. Hard to get and concrete Xbox division profit results. But the info I have gathered has said that Nintendo and Sony's gaming division is doing better than MS's Xbox division.

You lose a generation when you don't make profit. As we are talking 3x businesses here. This means all 3 can win and all 3 can lose. All depends on the individual profits each make or the loses they make.

Market penetration is also important. If Nintendo sold 1000 Wii Us and made a profit, that's not a win. Even if they made 100% profit from those sales. If you think it's about profit—and only profit—you're missing a big part of the business model. Of course the end product is always looking at profit, but it's also about building a brand.

I mean, the PlayStation brand is already established, so there really isn't a need for Sony to be selling at a loss. But as you said, Sony are content to throw money at their gaming division in order to keep their brand the most powerful brand in the industry. And that's fine: it's working for them.

Sony are winning because more people bought their product that the other two competitors combined. Even if overall the gaming division is not profitable, they're winning.

This may or may not have an impact on the two new PS4 models. Time will tell.

 

[the8thark]

Market penetration is also important. If Nintendo sold 1000 Wii Us and made a profit, that's not a win. Even if they made 100% profit from those sales. If you think it's about profit—and only profit—you're missing a big part of the business model. Of course the end product is always looking at profit, but it's also about building a brand.

Agreed. On the brand recognition side of things, both Nintendo and Sony are doing well there.

I mean, the PlayStation brand is already established, so there really isn't a need for Sony to be selling at a loss. But as you said, Sony are content to throw money at their gaming division in order to keep their brand the most powerful brand in the industry. And that's fine: it's working for them.

I agree. It's not ideal to be selling at a loss but if Sony overall can support their gaming division, well that's fine by Sony I guess.

Sony are winning because more people bought their product that the other two competitors combined. Even if overall the gaming division is not profitable, they're winning.

In terms of raw sales you are correct. This is different to profits and overal brand recognition though. You can sell comparitively little to your competition and still have a good brand presence if you market yourself well.

This may or may not have an impact on the two new PS4 models. Time will tell.

Agreed. Time will tell.

 

[Lozjam]

Market penetration is also important. If Nintendo sold 1000 Wii Us and made a profit, that's not a win. Even if they made 100% profit from those sales. If you think it's about profit—and only profit—you're missing a big part of the business model. Of course the end product is always looking at profit, but it's also about building a brand.

I mean, the PlayStation brand is already established, so there really isn't a need for Sony to be selling at a loss. But as you said, Sony are content to throw money at their gaming division in order to keep their brand the most powerful brand in the industry. And that's fine: it's working for them.

Sony are winning because more people bought their product that the other two competitors combined. Even if overall the gaming division is not profitable, they're winning.

This may or may not have an impact on the two new PS4 models. Time will tell.

Nintendo has so much more brand recognition than Sony however, no matter what console fails or does well. Mario is more well recognized than Mickey Mouse.

Pokemon Go is something that proves this very concept. Nintendo has way more brand appeal that Sony because of their IPs.

Nintendo does not need to worry about building a brand, they already have the biggest brand in the industry, and even the biggest brand in the world.