The fact that you are so lenient is the problem.
Yet were insisting to me last night that what you did was completely fine.
Blue Canary said:
You don't give us formal warnings for anything in the shoutbox, and so we can't keep track of it.
Because the Sb has a different set of rules and that's why we're more lenient. A simple "stop this" is better than a formal warning because the Sb moves so fast that by the time someone has sent a formal warning, and then replied to, that the person in question could have went over the top. Informal warnings are prevention techniques.
Though we have actually discussed a formatted system for warnings now, so people can see. I also made a SB ban thread last week so we can track and archive bans for future reference.
Blue Canary said:
You don't care to always ban people because of the rules, and there are a lot of things that even that mods have done that are technically against the rules, which makes the rules almost useless because no one is caring to follow them, and so now it's really just the mods and admins that are deciding the line between what is and isn't okay, and then not telling the users.
What?
Every time someone is banned, infracted, warned, it's because they're breaking rules. Stop scapegoating people to justify your point. You keep on insisting that we're not punishing others when A, you have given no factual examples of this, and B, you have no insight to when we do warn and infract others.
Plus every case is situational and therefore it makes it easier to be more flexible with our moderating actions. For example, a conversation about sex between a few members isn't exactly that bad, but randomly saying "(Insert member) ****ed Reggie in the ass" is completely crossing the line and is unacceptable. That's why you can't completely say "No sex talk is allowed because of A" because every case is situational. Other cases are more inappropriate than others and yours was an example of that.
Blue Canary said:
Truth be told, I just really want the rules to be changed so they either match the standard that the mods are using at the moment, or the mods to be more strict and match what the rules say, because at the moment it's so confusing because despite the fact that sex isn't supposed to be talked about outside of the MD, it's being talked about in the SB on a daily basis, and so what the mods are saying is wrong and what they're saying is right no longer matches the official document that tells all the users, so the users are completely ignorant as to what the rules actually are.
I don't know what is so confusing. Saying "(Insert member) ****ed someone in the ass" is completely out of order and I would have took action against anyone who said that. We don't ban people for simply mentioning sex; the majority of members are mature enough to discuss it. As I said cases are situational. We'll take action once we feel members are crossing the line or are making other members uncomfortable.
It's not hard to follow. We have adjusted the rules somewhat, but there's only so much we can do. We don't an unflexible ban rules system that says "No sex talk allowed" because that's ridiculous. That's were judgement comes in.
Blue Canary said:
And don't say "You are given warnings". People should not have to be given warnings. I never meant to break any rules. I did so because I'm not even sure what the rules even are anymore because this place is complete anarchy. And not only that, but those warnings were not formal in any way shape or form, and so you can't even be certain if I heard them, or if I remember that they even happened.
So wait a minute, let me get this right. The several warnings you've had over the past couple of months, the multiple SB bans you've had, the forum ban and you're telling us that you don't understand and that's why you said what you said? Please, you full well know what you said was out of line and you are lucky to get a week SB ban in truth because the new SB ban system we have set up takes a much more linear approach. I'm aware of what goes on in the SB and I haven't witnessed anyone - who hasn't been banned - say anything on the lines of: "(Insert member) ****ed Reggie in the ass", talking about sucking on a man's nipples constantly, and even telling a detailed and graphic story about someone getting impaled through their sexual organs. So yes, we enforce the rules when members cross the line or have a history of warnings and continue to repeat such behavior.
Blue Canary said:
Don't say I was banned this time for the same exact thing, because I did say different things each time. And that's the problem. I have no idea what is and isn't okay territory. And you might tell me not to talk about sex at all then, but then it isn't fair because you allow other users to do so.
I didn't say you said /exactly/ the same thing, I said they're similar. You're acting like you don't know when full well you do. What you do is crossing the line. Just because you say something equally as inappropriate or disgusting doesn't mean it's right. It's like me getting banned for posting porn and the coming back and posting a graphic novel and then being confused.
Blue Canary said:
So all in all, this is what I want to see:
- Formal warnings for the shoutbox.
- The rules either updated, or....
- The mods defend the rules more strictly than they are currently
1. We're actually doing this now just so we can archive things for reference.
2. The rules have been updated, but as I said things are still going to be situational. A mature conversation about sex is not all that bad (we might tell people to discuss said topic in the MD though), but crossing the line will result in further action being taken. There's a clear difference between mentioning sex and what you said or have said.
3. It's dammed if you do dammed if you don't. In the past moderators would ban members on the spot for mentioning anything related to sex. So we try to be more lenient and now we're wrong doing that too. Honestly the best method is to judge things as they happen. When I, or other mods, feel someone has crossed the line, we'll bring it up the staff chat and discuss it and then we'll take action. That's how everything is handled and it's made things an lot easier and more laid back around here while still enforcing rules when things to go too far.
Blue Canary said:
So I think the leniency is the problem. I'm not saying I shouldn't have been banned. I'm not saying what I did wasn't wrong. I'm just saying that I'm so confused at the moment about what is and isn't okay that it would probably be easier to navigate the world's largest maze with my eyes closed.
Just don't say anything over the top or that can make other members feel uncomfortable. We don't want that kind of environment nor do we want complaints from other members.