She played this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igGDoNPPTd4
Originally Posted by Crash
When it comes to the split timeline... I'm kinda iffy on it myself. But yes, that's kind of what I was talking about. We know Ganondorf was sealed by the sages magic, so the Ocarina wasn't for that. But do remember that the Ocarina is necessary in order to open the Door of Time, so it's just as likely that it's needed to close, and lock, the Door of Time. It's the Master Sword that's responsible for Link's age and it would keep him that way until it's put back. The Master Sword is in both timelines... that much is certain, if there is a split. Which means that Link would indeed have returned the sword in the Adult line and it would remain in the Child line as well. This will account for the "divine prank" that's mentioned in Twilight Princess as well; Ganondorf would have it but no one would remember that he got it, so as far as they would know he just obtained it by some "divine prank". Link returns back to a time right when he obtains the Master Sword, which as well all know is also when Ganondorf was able to enter the Sacred Realm and obtain the Triforce. So... even though Ganondorf hasn't come to power yet, assuming split timeline theory here, he still has the Triforce of Power cause of the time period when Link came back.
As far as Zelda having the Ocarina in MM as a child when Link gave it to her as an adult, well remember that it's a divine item and whenever Link travels through time, everything he has stays with him, so the same would go for Zelda, especially considering she's a sage AND a Triforce Wielder. Also, I think that the Master Sword and the Ocarina of Time are items that are above the normal influence of time and can exist outside of the natural bounds and limitations of it.
If Link is returned to a moment before he draw the Master Sword, the Sarced Realm would be closed and Ganondorf would not be able to enter it between OoT and TP. The TP Sages say that Ganondorf wanted to invade the Sacred Realm, but it's implied that he did not succeed. Moreover, why would Ganondorf not use the ToP until the very last moment if he was aware that he possessed it?
There is in essence two ideas regarding the "Divine Prank": One is that Ganondorf did get the ToP from the SR, which means that Link was sent back to a time after he originally drew the Sword, and that the "Divine Prank" is just an expression; the other idea is that Ganondorf for some unknown reason got the ToP in TP, which means that Link was sent back to a time before he drew the Sword, and that the "Divine Prank" can be an actual prank of the gods, but it does not have to be.
I favour the second theory, primarily on account of both Link standing before the MS in the OoT CE, indicating that he was sent back to a time when Link stood before the MS (i.e. before he drew it) and becuase it is implied that Ganondorf was given the ToP in TP (he did not take it himself).
I don't really understand what you mean: If Zelda takes the AT OoT to the CT, what happened to the CT OoT? Did the AT OoT end up on the CT? Did AT Zelda travel in time too? I think that you have logical explanations to all these misunderstandings.
/Blue Window
Yes, to your first paragraphs, I'm referring to that Link had to set the Master Sword in the pedestal itself. We see him teleport in front of it and him walking away so we're not actually shown him placing the sword into the pedestal, but it's highly likely that he did. Since he had to replace the sword itself, that would be the reason that Ganondorf still had the Triforce of Power.
Link still has the Triforce of Courage, we know this from WW when The King of Red Lions explains that it detached and broke into pieces when the Hero of Time left, if Link still holds it, it would be assumed the others still do too.
While Ganondorf may have been sealed in the Adult Timeline, The Child Timeline Ganondorf was still there and would have just received the Triforce of Power and not gained all the power that he has at the end of the game. He would have made the wish to rule, but since Link and Zelda already got rid of his wish in the Adult Timeline, all he's left with is the Triforce Piece. Link and Zelda tell everyone about him and his plans which leads to TP backstory where they try to dispose of him. But... since he just received the Triforce piece he was immortal and just starting to acquire more power.
Now... for the Ocarina... There is no Adult or Child Ocarina, there is only the Ocarina of Time. There is only one Ocarina of Time at any given moment in the story. When Link gives it to Zelda as an adult, that's it. The Ocarina is no longer in his possession and will no longer travel with him back in time because it's off his persona. Think of it this way. If Link were to remove his boots as an adult and leave them in the temple of time before he goes back in time, then he won't have his boots as a child because they weren't on his person, despite him having boots as a child. The boots he wears as a kid and an adult are the same, but if you remove them from him then they become affected by the natural flows of time around Link and won't travel with him. It's the same deal with the Ocarina of Time except that that's a divine item that already has a lot of power over time itself so it, by sheer magical ability, is above and beyond the normal flows of time since it can control time itself
No he wouldn't. Think of a machine, now... everything inside the time machine will travel with you because it's inside the confines of the time machine, meaning it's outside the normal flow of time; however, if something were taken out of the time machine and you keep traveling, then that item that was left outside is now in the normal confines of time and can and no longer will travel through time. This is the concept I'm speaking of is that the only reason Link keeps things, his Ocarina, his weapons, and his clothes is because they are on him WHILE he is traveling through times. If they are not on him when he travels through time, then they are stuck in that time period. If he takes off his boots in the future and leaves them there, he will be without boots in the past because of how he travels through time. The sword doesn't alter his appearance or his age, it all does it naturally. So when he's transported to the past, whatever's with him and on him goes too because it's on his person when he's sealed, and when he wakes up in the past, everything that was on him will be the same as the future even if it wasn't so in the past.To Crash
Ganondorf would only have the Triforce of Powre if, and only if, Link is sent back to a time after he drew the Master Sword in the end. When Link normally puts it back, he is sent back to a time before he drew it, which means that Ganondorf would not have the ToP (or, this is how I see it).
The King of Red Lions explains that when Link travelled in time he lost the Triforce of Courage. We know that Zelda and Ganondorf had theirs on the AT, however, the question is if they had them on the AT.
Well, Ganondorf's wish would still have failed due to his heart being imbalanced. Still, the TP Sages heavily imply that Ganondorf didn't reach the Sarced Realm. Think about this: if Ganondorf had reached the SR, why would the Sages have considered him having the ToP a "divine prank" and be so surprised?
Why would the Ocarina not exist on the CT when everything else (save Link and Navi that changed timelines) exist on both timelines? When Link goes back in time, Zelda does not, and since she has the Ocarina, it must remain where she is. There would still be an Ocarina on the Child Timeline.
If Link takes off his boots and goes back in time, he would possess the boots accoridng to all logics (of course, some of this logic can not work in-game for game play reasons) when he returns to the past.
/Blue Window
If Link removes his boots as an adult, then goes back in time, he'll wake up with his boots on as a child as they were when he first picked up the sword to become an adult. They don't disappear from the timeline if he leaves them in the future. Zelda has the OoT in the past. She gives it to Link a little later and he leaves it in the future. But that doesn't change the fact that Zelda still had it before she gave it to Link, and so she is able to give it to him again.Now... for the Ocarina... There is no Adult or Child Ocarina, there is only the Ocarina of Time. There is only one Ocarina of Time at any given moment in the story. When Link gives it to Zelda as an adult, that's it. The Ocarina is no longer in his possession and will no longer travel with him back in time because it's off his persona. Think of it this way. If Link were to remove his boots as an adult and leave them in the temple of time before he goes back in time, then he won't have his boots as a child because they weren't on his person, despite him having boots as a child. The boots he wears as a kid and an adult are the same, but if you remove them from him then they become affected by the natural flows of time around Link and won't travel with him. It's the same deal with the Ocarina of Time except that that's a divine item that already has a lot of power over time itself so it, by sheer magical ability, is above and beyond the normal flows of time since it can control time itself.
proof - or at least evidence - of that please?Everything is young again, including Zelda. She knows that she is a sage now and everything that happened within the past 7 years.
Since there is no 2 Zeldas in the Future, 2 Zeldas in the past, 2 Links in the future, 2 Links in the Past, 2 Ganons in the future, or 2 Ganons in the past, that would be proof that every one has, does, or is affected by a fast forwarding or rewinding time travel. Not a take out of place and replace time travel. Zelda would know everything that just happened just like Link would.