My 2 Ganons Timeline

[waffles]

ok soo heres my new timeeline that I follow my other timeline i DO NOT follow that was just for you guys. heres my new timeline and im not going uinto detail.
any of your questions will be answered.tp can go before alttp this is my personal timeline and will not be changed.

ganon1 dies in wind waker/ganon 2 dies in loz
/--ww--ph--st--loz/aol
ss--mc--fs/fsa--oot
\mm--alttp--oox/la--tp

tp=ganon1 and dies/alttp/oox=ganon2 and dies

oot=ganon 1/fs/fsa=ganon2

[Locke]

Any reason you put TP at the end of the CT? The progression of the MS implies that it goes between OoT and LttP, and developer quotes confirm that it happens (100?) years after OoT, not really long enough for games to come in-between.

[Matt]

developer quotes confirm that it happens (100?) years after OoT, not really long enough for games to come in-between.

Not really, they meant hundreds, plural. Problem is that Japanese isn't good with plurals, that's why they are often mistranslated in the number of years between games. For TP they meant many hundreds, so it could be a couple thousand actually. Same for TWW, they meant many hundreds. That just doesn't translate well.

[hylianbeast]

Wait a minute...ALttP is a prequel to LoZ, so have to put them on the same side. I ahd the same problem.

[Tyeforce]

Not really, they meant hundreds, plural. Problem is that Japanese isn't good with plurals, that's why they are often mistranslated in the number of years between games. For TP they meant many hundreds, so it could be a couple thousand actually. Same for TWW, they meant many hundreds. That just doesn't translate well.

No. While the quote about TWW was indeed mistranslated at first and should have been translated as "hundreds of years", the quote about TP's placement is correct. TP takes place "a hundred and something years" after OoT/MM, while TWW takes place "hundreds of years" after OoT on the opposite timeline.

[Ember Incubus]

Wait a minute...ALttP is a prequel to LoZ, so have to put them on the same side. I ahd the same problem.

Its not tht ALttP is a prequel to LoZ, it is that LoZ can not be a prequal to ALttP. They can be on oppisite sides, but ALttP can not take place after LoZ. So he is fine.

[waffles]

if twilight princess did go before alttp it wouldnt matter it can go there or it could go after its a different ganon i just thought itd be a better ending to the games

[Pinecove]

/--ww--ph--st--loz--aol
ss--mc--fs/fsa--oot
\mm--alttp--oox/la--tp

WOAH WOAH WOAH WHA-------???

Let's put this into perspective with your split at OoT instead of SS.


SS-TMC-FS/FSA-OoT-TWW-/PS-ST-LoZ/AoL
..............................\MM-AlttP-OoX/LA-TP

Okay, lets start off with the basics.

TP is BEFORE ALttP.

Ganondorf gets sealed in the Twilight Realm mere months from OoT's child ending.
It is this Ganondorf who we see in TP.

The Seal War (conflict regarding ALttP's Ganon) doesn't happen until far after the events of TP (assuming ALttP even takes place on the CT) due to the progression of the Triforce - it must be forgotten in order for the Seal War to take place, which it has not been prior to TP or during TP.

And while I'm on the state of the Triforce, TP after ALttP doesn't make sense either because at the end of ALttP it's in possession of the royal family, yet in TP, we have no word on how it got into the hands of Link and Zelda, as Ganon had the Triforce of power BEFORE Zant attacked Hyrule castle. Not only that, but we see Ganondorf has the Triforce of Power in Twilight Princess’ Backstory which we KNOW takes place before ALttP’s BS and by extension ALttP itself.

Back to the matter of time however, ALttP makes it clear that several centuries have passed since the Seal War - yet TP implies a barely centurial time period between itself and OoT.

And while I’m at it, I may as well mention that in ALttP it is stated the Master Sword will sleep again forever at the end of the game - this would be a direct contradiction of TP which uses the Master Sword.

Then I have to ask you...why separate LoZ from TMC and FSA. It has TREMENDOUS geographical ties to those games.
Hebra's hill/Lost Hills
Accessing the graveyard through the lost woods
etc.

Not only that, but LoZ doesn't really work well on the adult timeline unless you have other games there as well.

Other than that, the timeline is good.

[waffles]

ok first tp ganon is oot ganon yes several months after oot he was sealed i already stated tp can go before alttp.there is no evidence that the seal war takes place during or before alttp.and how the heck can loz go anywhere near tmc.plus if ganon2 which id the one from loz than what game would go after spirit tracks there have to be another game because ganon 1 died in wind waker and all that is left is ganon 2 because he existed before the split same with on the otherside of the timeline.the split happens after oot i just messed up a little on the typing.ok now back to the ct.after ganon1 was sealed in tthe twilight realm ganon 2 went to look for the trident of power now it all depends on what version of twilight princess u have.if you have gc it would go oot than tp and so on.now ifd you have wii version it would go alttp than tp like in my timeline because it looks like they moved on the wii version to the other side of death mountain that would explain y the ToT id in the lost woods plus the twilight princess map is a little off from oot map. oot the woods are in the east tp the woods are in the south. so now they moved to the other side and the woods have spread. the maped was flipped a little wierd and the woods are supposed to be in the west. anything else pinecove and i edited the loz/aol

[Pinecove]

ok first tp ganon is oot ganon yes several months after oot he was sealed i already stated tp can go before alttp.

Glad to hear that.

there is no evidence that the seal war takes place during or before alttp

During ALttP? Of coarse not. However, you obviously don't understand the Seal War if you don't think it can happen before ALttP as the Seal War is ALttP's BACKSTORY.

and how the heck can loz go anywhere near tmc

My bad, I didn't phrase that properly. It should go on the same timeline as TMC.

plus if ganon2 which id the one from loz than what game would go after spirit tracks there have to be another game because ganon 1 died in wind waker and all that is left is ganon 2 because he existed before the split same with on the otherside of the timeline

And this Ganon is from FSA? Okay I understand this, but LoZ Ganon doesn't really have a backstory. IT doesn't matter where he came from as LoZ used to come after ALttP even when ALttP killed Ganon off. No, I think LoZ's placement should be based on far more important things in a timeline such as its connection to other games and the state of the Triforce etc. For example, how did the Triforce even GET to new Hyrule in your timeline?

the split happens after oot i just messed up a little on the typing.

I know, it just makes it a bit difficult to read. Constructive criticism.

ok now back to the ct.after ganon1 was sealed in tthe twilight realm ganon 2 went to look for the trident of power now it all depends on what version of twilight princess u have.if you have gc it would go oot than tp and so on.now ifd you have wii version it would go alttp than tp like in my timeline because it looks like they moved on the wii version to the other side of death mountain that would explain y the ToT id in the lost woods plus the twilight princess map is a little off from oot map. oot the woods are in the east tp the woods are in the south. so now they moved to the other side and the woods have spread. the maped was flipped a little wierd and the woods are supposed to be in the west.

Wait wait wait wait wait.... how on earth does which version of TP you have affect its timeline placement? For god sakes, Wii TPs Hyrule was reversed simply because of the handedness.

anything else pinecove and i edited the loz/aol

All in this post. And what exactly did you do with LoZ/AoL? I don't see a difference.

[waffles]

sorry this was not done right my words are in the qoute every other paragraph

you obviously don't understand the Seal War if you don't think it can happen before ALttP as the Seal War is ALttP's BACKSTORY.

yes but there is still no proof of the sceal war before that.i mean look at oot that wqas intendeed to BE the seal war which over time it wasnt.the seal war is now a mystery its all in theory now.i dont think right now its important but yes it can happen before






And this Ganon is from FSA? Okay I understand this, but LoZ Ganon doesn't really have a backstory. IT doesn't matter where he came from as LoZ used to come after ALttP even when ALttP killed Ganon off. No, I think LoZ's placement should be based on far more important things in a timeline such as its connection to other games and the state of the Triforce etc. For example, how did the Triforce even GET to new Hyrule in your timeline?

yes i see what you mean by the state of the tiforce and thats why i put it there i forgot to talk about the loz on my timeline. the reason i put it there was because it was after the flood had PARTLY receded. it is OLD hyrule NOT new hyrule thats why the triforce was there.


Wait wait wait wait wait.... how on earth does which version of TP you have affect its timeline placement? For god sakes, Wii TPs Hyrule was reversed simply because of the handedness.

i guess my point didnt get across it doesnt really matter on which version this was not for going against you this was just for stubbern ppl with the hole map thing but yes i completly agree that the map makes no difference the part that was for you lol was that the tp map was the rong way i just worded it funny and how the wooded area should either be facing east because the castle was moved north more like i said before tp can go before alttp.



All in this post. And what exactly did you do with LoZ/AoL? I don't see a difference.

oh i put it like this loz--aol and i meant loz/aol lol i would also like to see your timeline than

[Locke]

No. While the quote about TWW was indeed mistranslated at first and should have been translated as "hundreds of years", the quote about TP's placement is correct. TP takes place "a hundred and something years" after OoT/MM, while TWW takes place "hundreds of years" after OoT on the opposite timeline.

which is interesting, because WW is actually hundreds of years after the flood, which is probably another couple hundred years after OoT. TP is just over 100, and yet he also says they are "parallel." Obviously they are not. Perhaps he didn't mean it in the strictest sense.

yes but there is still no proof of the sceal war before that.i mean look at oot that wqas intendeed to BE the seal war which over time it wasnt.the seal war is now a mystery its all in theory now.i dont think right now its important but yes it can happen before

Just because OoT can't be the SW doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It still has to occur sometime before LttP.

[Pinecove]

sorry this was not done right my words are in the qoute every other paragraph

That's okay.
What I do when I quote my replies is to copy and paste the text I reply to into the post box, than wrap quote tags around it. Individually. So you would quote one sentence, then the next, etc.

yes but there is still no proof of the sceal war before that.i mean look at oot that wqas intendeed to BE the seal war which over time it wasnt.the seal war is now a mystery its all in theory now.i dont think right now its important but yes it can happen before

The seal war is the war that seals Ganon in the Sacred Realm in time for ALttP. Therefore it comes sometime before ALttP and in direct precedence to it.
And yes OoT was once the Seal war, but that was when OoT was the direct prequel to ALttP - which it not isn't due to TWW.

yes i see what you mean by the state of the tiforce and thats why i put it there i forgot to talk about the loz on my timeline. the reason i put it there was because it was after the flood had PARTLY receded. it is OLD hyrule NOT new hyrule thats why the triforce was there.

If you're going to get into the "flooded Hyrule" thing, than you may as well put FSA on your adult timeline with LoZ because its entire map is surrounded by water.
My point is, that just because maps have a coast, doesn't mean they come on the Adult Timeline. LoZ Hyrule closely resembles parts of FSA and TMC Hyrule.

i would also like to see your timeline than

SS-OoT-TWW/PH-ST-TMC-FS/FSA-LoZ/AoL
......\MM-TP-ALttP/OoS/OoA/LA

The bolded is subjet to change, but I like it there for now.
But remember, this is about YOUR timeline, not mine. And I'm not trying to convince you of my timeline.

TP is just over 100, and yet he also says they are "parallel." Obviously they are not. Perhaps he didn't mean it in the strictest sense.

Any point on a line that is parallel to another line is parallel to any point on the second line. Just because TWW and TP are on parallel timelines doesn't mean their points on the line have to match up - they're still parallel.

[Tyeforce]

which is interesting, because WW is actually hundreds of years after the flood, which is probably another couple hundred years after OoT. TP is just over 100, and yet he also says they are "parallel." Obviously they are not. Perhaps he didn't mean it in the strictest sense.

Actually, Aonuma said that TWW takes place "hundreds of years after Ocarina of Time", not after the flood. Still, you're right, it's much longer than the time between OoT and TP. I think when he said "parallel", he didn't mean exactly parallel, he was just stressing that TWW and TP are on parallel timelines.

[Locke]

Actually, Aonuma said that TWW takes place "hundreds of years after Ocarina of Time", not after the flood. Still, you're right, it's much longer than the time between OoT and TP. I think when he said "parallel", he didn't mean exactly parallel, he was just stressing that TWW and TP are on parallel timelines.

You're right...I must have been thinking of an in-game quote. Anyway, I think Pinecove's explanation is sound.

edit:

Our fair kingdom was soon buried beneath
the waves, forgotten at the bottom of
the ocean.

Yet all was not lost. For the gods knew
that to seal the people away with the
kingdom would be to grant Ganon's wish
for the destruction of the land.

So, before the sealing of the kingdom,
the gods chose those who would build a
new country and commanded them to take
refuge on the mountaintops.

Those people were your ancestors.

Hundreds of years have passed since then...