Ordon Not Part of Hyrule?

[Axle the Beast]

I was playing Twilight Princess the other day, and began noticing some odd statements.

In the scene right after you restore light to Lanayru Province, when you're talking to Lanayru, it states that "us three Light Spirits" intervened when the Dark Interlopers tried to take over. Three? There were four: Ordona, Faron, Eldin and Lanayru.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwBcGqyFbIM

Later after you beat the Lakebed Temple, and you're going to see Zelda, you have to sneak through Telma's Bar, during which you can overhear the resistance group talking about Link. Shad states that he's "not from Hyrule proper, he's from the neighboring province of Ordona".

So, does that mean that Ordona Province is not part of Hyrule at all? If so, is it a small country or part of a larger nation? Or is it neutral territory or something?

A bit odd for a Zelda game to have an area that's not part of the actual country or kingdom the game takes place in... although it makes sense considering how secluded Ordon Village seemed to be. Still, it's odd because the Ordonians seem to have some kind of loyalty to the Royal Family of Hyrule...

And what does this mean for Ordona? If it doesn't represent part of Hyrule, does that mean other countries or nations have Light Spirits who serve the goddesses as well?

[Megamannt125]

I remember a long time ago, back before TP was released, I heard that the Link in this game is not from Hyrule, Ordon seems like a small village that isn't connected to Hyrule, but sells wares to them, it is quite possible Ordon is it's own very small land, i'd also like to note, that Ordona doesn't get enveloped within Twilight, which can point to this even more, not being a part of Hyrule and all, if you believe that the Faron Province is the remains of Old Hyrule castle, then that would mean that the Ordona province would be far behind Hyrule castle. It also isn't that odd, since the Gerudo Desert isn't considered part of Hyrule, and i'm not sure if the Kokiri Forest and Lost Woods in OOT are even considered part of Hyrule or not.

[Rvby]

I personally think that it isn't part of hyrule. Here's how I think of it, Kokiri forest wasn't part of hyrule(Was it?) and I think of ordon as the replacement kokiri forest.

[Master Kokiri 9]

Honestly I think that Ordon is one of Hyrule's areas (like Lanyaru and the Desert Province). It just always seemed that way to me. Or possibly Shad meant when he said 'from my understanding he's not from Hyrule proper at all' that Link wasn't from the city. And also I think that Ordona (Ordon Light Spirit) is just minor and simply keeps things in check in Ordon. And crazy as it seems I'm starting to think that Ordona is merely an extension of Faron to keep things in check in Ordon.

[Steve]

And crazy as it seems I'm starting to think that Ordona is merely an extension of Faron to keep things in check in Ordon.
This I agree with, after all both the Faron and Ordon Provinces exist within the same general area; a forest. Also it's been pointed out before, that the name Ordona itself maybe an extension to Faron: FARO; Ordona: OR, which combined are very similar to Farore. With that said, they may simply be separate provinces because one is inhabited, while the other is not. It could even be possible, just as Ordon is isolated from Hyrule, that the spirit may also be independent.

[Hanyou]

Makes a lot of sense, and I don't see why it has to be part of Hyrule.

If Ordon is not part of "Hyrule proper," I am sure it still trades frequently with Hyrule and may even be involved in the politics. All that means is that Ordon itself doesn't answer to Hyrule's laws, maybe falls outside its jurisdiction.

Still, it's quite evident from the events in the game that what affects Hyrule affects Ordon.

[Shadsie]

I always took it that Ordon was a territory of Hyrule, as in, not officially part of the nation of Hyrule, but a territory thereof - its people are generally governed by and loyal to Hyrule, but have a lot of their own freedoms and say of what goes on in their own land. "Not fully incorporated," in other words.

I figured Ordon to Hyrule was like... say... Puerto Rico is to the United States. It's not a state, but is a territory. It doesn't get a star on the flag, but you don't need a passport to visit there. Independant and "a part of" at the same time.

I also always figured that Ordon, as province/territory of Hyrule was rather new. The land's always been there, but I've seen it as recently "conquered" or annexed territory for Hyrule, hence why it isn't a part of "Hyrule Proper" yet.

[ottobot]

i think that ordon isn't technically part of the actual nation of hyrule, but just a territory. to give a real world example, it's like how back in the 1800s most of the western united states were just territories but still part of the contry.

[dumb180]

Yeah, I believe it's a territory of sorts too.

I think Ordon was in the process of getting annexed, and the Royal Family wanted the sword and shield as a tribute. Of course that's just speculation though..

added much later: Tasl's quote at the beginning all but screams out: "We're not part of Hyrule!"
"In the Kingdom of Hyrule there is a great castle, and around it is Castle Town, a community far bigger than our little village."' To me, he's definitely speaking of Hyrule as an external area.

[#1 LOZ FanGirl]

I was playing Twilight Princess the other day, and began noticing some odd statements.

In the scene right after you restore light to Lanayru Province, when you're talking to Lanayru, it states that "us three Light Spirits" intervened when the Dark Interlopers tried to take over. Three? There were four: Ordona, Faron, Eldin and Lanayru.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwBcGqyFbIM

Later after you beat the Lakebed Temple, and you're going to see Zelda, you have to sneak through Telma's Bar, during which you can overhear the resistance group talking about Link. Shad states that he's "not from Hyrule proper, he's from the neighboring province of Ordona".

So, does that mean that Ordona Province is not part of Hyrule at all? If so, is it a small country or part of a larger nation? Or is it neutral territory or something?

A bit odd for a Zelda game to have an area that's not part of the actual country or kingdom the game takes place in... although it makes sense considering how secluded Ordon Village seemed to be. Still, it's odd because the Ordonians seem to have some kind of loyalty to the Royal Family of Hyrule...

And what does this mean for Ordona? If it doesn't represent part of Hyrule, does that mean other countries or nations have Light Spirits who serve the goddesses as well?

I think that what this basically means is that you need to think about it logically. I mean look at Kokiri Forest. That was technically hidden from hyrule for the Deku Tree thought that what stood outside their forest was evil and that no light shined. In this case, Ordon and Ordona Province are Kokiri Forest. It is hidden from the evil and bane in the land of Hyrule. Correct me if I am wrong.

[yann :)]

I think there is a chance that it maybe divided by the Lost Woods but TP mayhave failed to detail it correctly.

Imiss Kokiri forest... I wonder why it and the gerudo's fortress were taken out of TP.

[LinkandI]

I miss Kokiri forest... I wonder why it and the gerudo's fortress were taken out of TP.

I have always just kinda thought of Arbiter Grounds as gerudo fortress, I guess it's not but it had it's similarities. TP has a lost woods too though, it led to the temple of time.

[Cooldogs_1]

I'm going to say maybe... The reason I agree is because you do make a good point. The thing that keeps me wondering is the Temple of Time. Assuming its the same location as the ToT in OoT, then Ordon Village had to be part of Hyrule at some time. The question is, what was Ordon Village, a 100 years before TP? My guess would be Kokiri Village, but who really knows.

Another topic that this topic came to my mind is, what is Hyrule? Is it the name of the world, an area of the world, or something else? For example, is Clock Town considered part of Hyrule?

[Seth]

Another topic that this topic came to my mind is, what is Hyrule? Is it the name of the world, an area of the world, or something else? For example, is Clock Town considered part of Hyrule?

I always thought Hyrule was made to be a specific kingdom, and sometimes lands around it. In many games there are references to there being a wider world. Like in OoT Zelda mentions that Gannondorf doesn't just want Hyrule, but the whole world. Or something to that effect. So i would say Clock Town is not Hyrule, it is in Termina which is an alternate universe in which Hyrule most likely doesn't exist.
In some games, like the Oracles you are in different kingdoms, and in WW they pretty much state flat out that Hyrule is the sunken kingdom and the King of Red lions was the King of Hyrule.

As far as Ordon being in Hyrule or not, I have no idea. In game text makes it seem like no, but the end game map calls it the Ordon Province. So it is conflicting.

[Random Person]

I personally think that it isn't part of hyrule. Here's how I think of it, Kokiri forest wasn't part of hyrule(Was it?) and I think of ordon as the replacement kokiri forest.

That's exactly how I felt as soon as I read the topic. It's the closest thing to the lost woods so it makes sense right?

[LinkandI]

Another topic that this topic came to my mind is, what is Hyrule? Is it the name of the world, an area of the world, or something else? For example, is Clock Town considered part of Hyrule?

See my answer to that would be no. There is reference made to not being in Hyrule anymorr, once Link is in Termina. I always though Hyrule was the name of the Land that the royal family governed

[yann :)]

I have always just kinda thought of Arbiter Grounds as gerudo fortress, I guess it's not but it had it's similarities. TP has a lost woods too though, it led to the temple of time.


Really? I dunno, I always used to have a feeling that it was uilt over the area where the Desert Colossus would have been, to be fair there is way of knowing for sure.

And I know the Lost Woods were in TP, but it's not the woods I miss, it's the kokiri.
I mean there wasn't even a Great Deku Tree, although this could be pardoned due to the fact that in the child timeline the Deku Scrub never came through.