Ocean King is the Wind Fish?

[Mases]

A question that every hardcore Zelda fan thought in their head as the ending of Phantom Hourglass came to a close. Is the Ocean King from Phantom Hourglass actually the Wind Fish from Link's Awakening? The obvious reason why this comes to mind is... they are both giant whales. The connection between the two seems to be a bit more than that though.

It goes back to the actual stories of the two games. In Link's Awakening, the entire game is a dream of the Wind Fish. Once the Wind Fish is awakened, Koholint Island disappears. In Phantom Hourglass, the ending is a bit unclear. However, it is commonly thought that the entire game was also a dream that really didn't take place in reality. So wait a second, we have two games that take place on either a single island or a set of islands, a giant whale, and they are all a dream? This seems to be way to similar for their to be no connection between the games.

How about Lord Jabu Jabu from Ocarina of Time? Does he fit into this whale conspiracy? What is with Nintendo's fetish with giant whales anyway?

Perhaps the Ocean King and the Wind Fish tie into the ever confusing Zelda timeline. Maybe Phantom Hourglass and Link's Awakening happen at the exact same time, but in alternate timelines. If you are a believer in the split timeline theory, the game splits two ways. However, in my opinion, the future of Hyrule is not drastically different in these two time frames, thus the same events might still take place in the future, just slightly altered due to the past. In this case, PH and LA tell similar stories, but are actually the same general event. Perhaps that is a stretch.

One thing for certain, is that Nintendo is seriously recycling material. I for one think there definitely is some sort of relationship between the Ocean King and the Wind Fish, but to what extent? Is it just Link's mind can't help but dream of Islands and Whales? Maybe one of these dreams wasn't really a dream, and the events of the games happen after each other and they really are the same whale. Maybe the Zelda timeline is involved. Will we ever know the truth behind these myths?

[Mike Pothier]

I think that the Ocean King and the Wind Fish belong to a race of spirits that are powerful enough to take whatever form they wish. The Whale form just happens to be in vogue within the world of Hyrule. Its certainly not limited to them. Consider the four Light Spirits in Twilight Princess. They each take on the form of a known animal.

As for the dream idea in Phantom Hourglass, didn't they specifically say in the end that Tetra and Link crossed over into another world? I'll check again, but that is what the text seemed to say to me. Link's Awakening, however, made it abundantly clear that the island of Koholint was within the Wind Fish's dream.

[lostone]

I think the two scenarios of Link's Awakening and Phantom Hourglass are too similar to not have some type of connection with the Ocean King and the Wind Fish. Whether they are the same creature on different/same timeline or just related by being similar species, I don't know. I haven't thought that hard on it, but I think they definitely have some type of connection. Also thanks for making this thread. I wanted to see people talk about this, and your helping that happen.

[Sitruc31]

i think that jabujabu,The ocean & the wind fish are the same race of animal

[Stan]

i think that jabujabu,The ocean & the wind fish are the same race of animal

I am going to go out on a limb here and say, "Are you serious?"


Anyways, maybe the Link's Awakening game is like a "vision" of some sort that Link has of what the future holds and in Phantom Hourglass that "vision" is fullfilled? I am not really sure what to say on that one Mas. That really is a toughy! :confused:

[linkman8]

I suppose I could see the similarities between the two. Link's Awakening was all just of the Wind Fish's dream, right? Then after he woke up what happened to him? Perhaps it could be the Ocean King.

[Midna902]

the PH events were in the world of the ocean king as said by the spirit of wisdom and when link gets back on the ship he has the Phantom Hourglass but it was empty.He also sees Linebeck's ship which brings up the question.Did linebeck also go to the world of the ocean king?

[Mastersworddude]

the PH events were in the world of the ocean king as said by the spirit of wisdom and when link gets back on the ship he has the Phantom Hourglass but it was empty.He also sees Linebeck's ship which brings up the question.Did linebeck also go to the world of the ocean king?

You made up a good point but Linebeck was popular when link came so either he lived there or he when to the world of the ocean king before link?

[Joey Kazooie]

I think all three are related in some way. Maybe they're the same. You'll never know.

[ebuch]

This is really fun stuff to think about, but I'm just going to let myself think that Nintendo likes to make references to other games. I wouldn't mind thinking otherwise, but it's so hard to tell. I love references to other games though... Like OoT to TP

[blackice_cc]

Well it seems as though there has to be some kind of connection between the two, seeing as they're so much alike. However, I doubt the LA windfish is the PH ocean king. More likely they're the same race of godlike being.

[dark_link01]

I believe if they were meant to be connected, as in one was supposed to happen and then another in some sort of continueum, then the Ocean King would have made reference knowing Link or another generation of Link. This is only if PH took place after LA, and in that case, I wouldn't see why (even though they are both whales) that the Ocean King (PH) is a plain whale, while LA's Windfish is garbed with some royal looking robe on his back.

I don't believe they are the same thing, but it is possible that Nintendo took the idea of having a whale as the Ocean King (after he was turned into a whale) from LA.

[Mike Pothier]

That wasn't a robe, it was markings or tattoos. Plus, the wind fish had wings, and in the ending for LA, it apparently flew through the sky; where as the Ocean King swam in the ocean.

[dark_link01]

That wasn't a robe, it was markings or tattoos. Plus, the wind fish had wings, and in the ending for LA, it apparently flew through the sky; where as the Ocean King swam in the ocean.

And how exactly do you know it wasn't a robe? It says no where that it is tatoos, so it could be a robe. It looks like something with jewelry dangling from it to me.

But you do make another good point. The Ocean King does not fly. That's why hes the "ocean" King, rather than the "wind" fish.

[Mike Pothier]

And how exactly do you know it wasn't a robe? It says no where that it is tatoos, so it could be a robe. It looks like something with jewelry dangling from it to me.

But you do make another good point. The Ocean King does not fly. That's why hes the "ocean" King, rather than the "wind" fish.

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9114/llwindfishgv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/8343/85478117dg6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/85478117dg6.jpg/1/w500.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img363/85478117dg6.jpg/1/)

We're both wrong. Going by the official artwork, Wind Fish be wearin armor.

[El Bagu]

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9114/llwindfishgv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/8343/85478117dg6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/85478117dg6.jpg/1/w500.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img363/85478117dg6.jpg/1/)

We're both wrong. Going by the official artwork, Wind Fish be wearin armor.

Really fascinating!!