Wrap Your Crazy Minds Around My Crazy Concoction!

[xandar]

Okay, my timeline theory is relatively complete, I'm pretty sure, but it's still got many people I've shared it with calling me crazy. Please leave questions and comments. I'd be happy to share more idiocy with you.

Non-canonical
This theory has been Xandarized

OoT is first, Eiji Aonoma said so. I think we can trust him.
Then most of you would assume MM, right? No. MM never happened. Link was walking through the forest at the start of MM, right? What's there to eat in a forest that appears in many Zelda games? Mushrooms. If you eat the wrong ones what happens? You get high.
Now then, if you look at this game in comparison to Ocarina, there's obvious similarities. The two witches, Malon and Talon, almost all the characters you interact with in some way resemble a character in Ocarina. They say when you die, your life flashes back before your eyes. What would this look like if you were high? I think it'd look just like Majora's Mask. When Link fell at the start of the game, he died. Then his life flashed before his eyes while he was high. This was Link 1.
Link 2 came along slightly after this. In Ocarina of Time, I think that just before Link sent himself back in time, Link and Zelda got into a bed and... You know..... Then they went back in time, thinking nothing would screw up. Then, seven years later, Zelda got pregnant because she'd slept with Link in the future in the past. Um... I'm not sure I worded that quite right, but I think you get my drift.
Anyways, this was Link 2, the star of Twilight Princess. TP comes next because of the obvious geography similarities. There's plenty of differences as well, but we can let them slide.
After that, Link's family eventually comes out to Link 3 and 4. 3 is the star for Minish Cap and 4 for ALttP. These two are distant cousins who live in slightly different places.
These go here, of course, because WW mentions in the beginning somewhere before the Hero of Time and the game that's about to begin some sort of "Foul wind blowing." This is Minish Cap and LttP.
The Link of Minish Cap finishes his quest and goes back and lives happily ever after and all that jazz. Living happily ever after, this is where Link 1's family tree ends on this side.
Link 4, however, over in ALttP, is hopping between dimensions, and through this, I think he accidentally leaves some sort of crazy spiritual imprint on the dark world, but he still saves it, which creates an alternate reality. The Darkworld first, trying to understand this "Link" character creates Link 5, but the Darkworld is unsure of how to deal with him, so it sends him into another altirnate reality where he's in two places at once. This is the Oracle games right here. Eventually, the Darkworld understands more of who and what Link is, and it thrusts him headlong into another quest to save the world, 'cause that's what he does. It reunited him and himself that was split up in the Oracle games.
This is the same Link (Link 5) in LoZ and AoL.
Link 6-9 are also created, mostly just 6 though because as the Darkworld is putting Link in places he can help, it sticks him into position for Four Swords and later on FSA. So basically it splits him into two forms, one of which went through the Oracle games and one who didn't.
Then at some point, the Darkworld which my mind has twisted into some strange entity, being some entity, had to poop. This poop spawned yet another reality that we know as Wand of Gamelon and Faces of Evil. That's right, they're a poop of the Darkworld.
Now then, back to the first reality, all the Links from there are at their end, but several hundred or thousand years later, there was a new hero. Link 10. This Link starred in WW, PH, and then as he was sailing around the sea, his ship crashed in a storm and he fell off and landed on the shores of Link's Awakening.


To sum up in case you didn't get all that,
OoT
MM(Link's dead.)
TP
MC/LttP--------------------(Alternate reality)--Oracles
WW | / \
PH | LoZ/AoL FS/FSA
LA |
|
(Darkworld Poop) FoE/WoG


And that's my crazy plotline.

[sign of table]

I stopped at that bit about MM never happening. You're saying he ate a mushroom SO POWERFUL that he got high for more than 3 days and imagined everything in MM?

[blackice_cc]

This sure is... and interesting timeline. I mean, yeah, you are kind of crazy :xd:. But I think it's just so... DIFFERENT that Nintendo would never, if they ever do, release an official timeline like this. It is interesting, like I said. I'm not sure I can say much else.


I stopped at that bit about MM never happening. You're saying he ate a mushroom SO POWERFUL that he got high for more than 3 days and imagined everything in MM?

SoJ, there are lots of mushrooms that could easily kill you/make you hallucinate for ling periods of time. It's really not unlikely. And don't forget, this is not our world, so the mushrooms can be totally different.

[Zemen125]

i agree with SoJ on this one. i totally stopped reading it after you said Link was high/dead. there is absolutely no evidence to prove that. i think its funny when people say things like "its not the real world so a mushroom could do this"

without actually seeing someone get extremely high off of a mushroom, i think we can assume there are no mushrooms for them to get high off of.

i stopped after the MM part...

and one other thing, OoT was stated to be the first game in the series over ten years ago... there may be some changes since then and i consider MC to be first.

[sign of table]

SoJ, there are lots of mushrooms that could easily kill you/make you hallucinate for ling periods of time. It's really not unlikely. And don't forget, this is not our world, so the mushrooms can be totally different. Sure, but do you think the developers were thinking about him getting high for days-months on a mushroom?

Anyway, it is hard to focus on that giant wall of text.

[Kazumi]

Were they thinking about him getting high, and sleeping with Zelda, and.... Well.. That's where I stopped. I believe, that you truly are crazy, and that this timeline would never, ever, happen. I just don't agree. Nintendo was never thinking about this when they made the games. Wow. Ok. This timeline goes against all of our proof, in-game text, what the creators said, and really, makes NO sense, whatsoever.

[Pinecove]

...Yeah for once I'm agreeing with Zemen here.

He died from a mushroom? Yeah right. And what is this alternate reality thing you talk of?

[Alter]

I think you're the one who's high on shrooms. There is no way that the timeline theory would be that complex.

Edit: It actually is well thought-out, and has a certain ring to it. I guess I was just surprised. I'm certainly sure that the developers weren't thinking of it, but it certainly is most creative.

I think the Link-on-shrooms is what makes people gag. lol

[xandar]

I've actually researched and thought about this a lot. I might be crazy, who knows? And also, I never said Nintendo or the developers would agree with it. In fact, if somebody actually showed this to Eiji Aonoma I bet he'd get a laugh out of how preposterous it sounds. I almost laugh myself, but then I'm enough of a nerd to actually put the thought into concocting such an elaborate timeline that has no bearing on reality because this is just the chronology of a video game series that for all we know might not have a contingency beyond the few direct sequels.

Also, you guys seem to think I expect you to agree with me, which I don't. If I'd seen this posted a few years ago I'd pass it off as boloney. Quite frankly, it's mostly because I'm kind of paranoid about every little thing in certain games that I even made this. Zelda's one of those games. I just find every little thing and then wonder if there was more to something and try every little thing. That's kind of like how this theory works. You have to think half of everything is a hoax to really understand it I think.
I'm not even sure if I typed any of that last paragraph the way I meant to.

Anyways, this is just my take on the story of Zelda. It's obviously going to be up to debate forever, so really, who cares what I think?

[Mases]

I like this theory. Not so much that its accurate, common, canonical, or similar to any type of theory before, but I just like it. I do like it because you use your imagination. Not necessarily looking at all the known details and thinking how they fit together, but rather, thinking of all the details that are not available, but can link the story together.

Anyway, into the heart of the story. The Majora's Mask as a big hallucination. Whether it happened or not, it would still be placed after Ocarina of Time in the 'Xandar-ized' timeline. Since while it didn't happen to everybody else, to Link (our character), it did happen, and thus, it is an event for Link.

The portion about the end, with the cdi games. Okay, that's just Xandar being Xandar. The little I remember of you, shines right in this post.

I think we need a 'Non-Canonical' label at the top, along with a saying, 'This theory has been Xandardized.'

[Zemen125]

I've actually researched and thought about this a lot. I might be crazy, who knows? And also, I never said Nintendo or the developers would agree with it. In fact, if somebody actually showed this to Eiji Aonoma I bet he'd get a laugh out of how preposterous it sounds. I almost laugh myself, but then I'm enough of a nerd to actually put the thought into concocting such an elaborate timeline that has no bearing on reality because this is just the chronology of a video game series that for all we know might not have a contingency beyond the few direct sequels.

Also, you guys seem to think I expect you to agree with me, which I don't. If I'd seen this posted a few years ago I'd pass it off as boloney. Quite frankly, it's mostly because I'm kind of paranoid about every little thing in certain games that I even made this. Zelda's one of those games. I just find every little thing and then wonder if there was more to something and try every little thing. That's kind of like how this theory works. You have to think half of everything is a hoax to really understand it I think.
I'm not even sure if I typed any of that last paragraph the way I meant to.

Anyways, this is just my take on the story of Zelda. It's obviously going to be up to debate forever, so really, who cares what I think?

you just said yourself that the creators would laugh at your theory. that should be reason enough for you to not believe it. i think they know whats going on much better than you do.

[Alter]

Rolflol Funny Mases...

Congrats for being creative, and... Xandardizing this up! lol I do like the C-i part! ;)

[xandar]

Mases, I also remember something about you. I'm happy I've stuck around all these years 'cause I remember reading several of your walkthroughs and such that seemed to be descriptive in such a way that I could understand better than most and that came through right here. I can't think of any better way to describe what my timeline theory is. I put the labels up in the original post. Thanks, Mases!

Also, I'm pretty sure that this is not necessarily what the creators should think or do think or ever will think, but rather what I think. Honestly, I'm happy that the creators created it the way they did, but I think in this way, Zelda's sort of like the bible; every person who reads it has their own interpretation. I've seen people debate the meaning of individual verses of the bible, just like all of us have different timeline theories, regardless of what the creators say. I'm not saying that Zelda is half as important as the bible, I just think it's a good comparison to get across what I'm trying to say.

[Smertios]

Or a fanfic tag :P

anyway, this is nice "theory". It's always good to use your imagination, but i doubt Link was high in MM :P

Also, that diagram you used in the end of the post is uninteligible...

[sign of table]

Actually MM had to have happened.

The legend of the fairy in tWW. Apparently it was the biggest argument the linear timeline had. It actually mentions Tingle from MM.

[Smertios]

Was that directed to me??
I always thought it was just an easter egg. What's the relevance of that anyway?

[sign of table]

Nah it wasn't directed at you.

It's very relevant as it proves that Tingle in MM met Link.

Even if it makes no sense how the story happened. It did.

[UsayEldaZay]

YARGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so lost. I thought the mushroom thing was funny and kind of sort of made sense IN A WAY

[Zemen125]

Was that directed to me??
I always thought it was just an easter egg. What's the relevance of that anyway?

so the fact that a past tingle meeting a past link (in MM) is only an easter egg to you?

that seems like a much better argument than the triumph forks being mentioned VERY inconspicuously in MC, yet you think that means something...

[Smertios]

so the fact that a past tingle meeting a past link (in MM) is only an easter egg to you?

that seems like a much better argument than the triumph forks being mentioned VERY inconspicuously in MC, yet you think that means something...

Of course it is an easter egg. It was mentioned in TWW, while we all know that MM happens in the CT.

I wouldn't discredit it as an easter egg if it wasn't for that....

[Zemen125]

Of course it is an easter egg. It was mentioned in TWW, while we all know that MM happens in the CT.

I wouldn't discredit it as an easter egg if it wasn't for that....

a lot of people obviously were able to travel between Termina and Hyrule such as the happy mask salesman and koume and kotake and link and skull kid. how do we know that Tingle isnt originally from Hyrule. how do we know that he didnt travel there from Hyrule. just because he was in MM doesnt mean that he couldnt have been around in OoT and just not seen. if this is the case he still would have been looking for a fairy boy.

also, tingle in WW could have been talking about a different boy wearing green. Link is not the only one who wears the green tunic and hat as his grandmother tells him that on outset island when boys come of age they wear the tunic and hat in honor of the past hero. we never see anyone else wearing it but its implied there are others out there fighting monsters. maybe tingle met one of them and got him mixed up with a different person.

[Smertios]

a lot of people obviously were able to travel between Termina and Hyrule such as the happy mask salesman and koume and kotake and link and skull kid. how do we know that Tingle isnt originally from Hyrule. how do we know that he didnt travel there from Hyrule. just because he was in MM doesnt mean that he couldnt have been around in OoT and just not seen. if this is the case he still would have been looking for a fairy boy.

also, tingle in WW could have been talking about a different boy wearing green. Link is not the only one who wears the green tunic and hat as his grandmother tells him that on outset island when boys come of age they wear the tunic and hat in honor of the past hero. we never see anyone else wearing it but its implied there are others out there fighting monsters. maybe tingle met one of them and got him mixed up with a different person.

Still, there is no way that refers to MM. TWW and MM happen in different timelines.

And tingles exist due to Uncle Rupee's spell, it's not like they were originally from Termina...

[sign of table]

It does refer to MM. It's a screw up. But the fact that it horribly refers to MM means that MM happened.

[Zemen125]

Still, there is no way that refers to MM. TWW and MM happen in different timelines.

And tingles exist due to Uncle Rupee's spell, it's not like they were originally from Termina...

but there is a connection to MM from WW. the sword that phantom ganon uses has hylian writing on it. the writing says Zubora Gabora in hylian and those are the blacksmiths from MM. so either WW goes after MM (LOLZ), somehow phantom ganon got a sword that was made in Termina by the blacksmiths or its just an easter egg. regardless, there is a connection between the two games so why would it be impossible for tingle to come from termina if a sword could?

[Smertios]

We don't even know if Termina exists in the AT, so I guess that's just an easter egg...

Still, why can't there be other people named like the blacksmiths, but in Hyrule?

[Zemen125]

It does refer to MM. It's a screw up. But the fact that it horribly refers to MM means that MM happened.

good argument. ill just say that the mention of the triumph forks is a screw up too then.


We don't even know if Termina exists in the AT, so I guess that's just an easter egg...

Still, why can't there be other people named like the blacksmiths, but in Hyrule?

wanna know why? its because there is absolutely no mention of any other blacksmiths in the whole series with that name, so we have to assume that its talking about the two from MM seeing as how they are the only ones ever mentioned.

[Smertios]

good argument. ill just say that the mention of the triumph forks is a screw up too then.

But it is different, because there is a possibility TMC follows TWW. There is absolutely no chance MM and TWW happen in the same timeline...


wanna know why? its because there is absolutely no mention of any other blacksmiths in the whole series with that name, so we have to assume that its talking about the two from MM seeing as how they are the only ones ever mentioned.

Just because there are no other people/things with the same name doesn't mean they don't exist...

[Zemen125]

WW was the next console game made after MM. there is no Zubora or Gabora in the handheld games and MM was made before WW. if WW is the next console game in the series and it mentions two blacksmiths from the game made just before it then chances are thats the reference..

there is no mention ever of any blacksmiths with those names. im gonna go ahead and say they are the only two since you have no evidence of there being other Zuboras and Gaboras. the lack of blacksmiths with the same names does not mean they COULD exist. im gonna go ahead and say it means they definitely dont.