Rito Tribe

[Onilink89]

most of us know the Rito Tribe in WW. the main subject about this tribe that i always questioned is: did the zora race really evolve in to the rito tribe, is so how come?

now there are clues that prove this, like medli, got the zora logo on her clothes and she carries the bloodline of the zora sage. but would it not be better if they remained zora's? i mean you got the great sea and all of a sudden they have wings thanx to lord valoo.
or is lord valoo the cause that the zora 's became rito's?

[firebunnies123]

whats so great about valoo anyway? hes just a fat dragon

[MiniMeMilo]

Well if the ocean was infested with tornadoes and and monsters it wouldn't be a very safe place at all, would it? I don't know if the Ruto truly did evolve from Zoras overtime, but if they did it would be because of the danger which was now in the water.

[Avenged]

Lord Valoo gave the Ruto tribe the ability to fly, it says so in the game.

[Kybyrian]

The Ruto tribe was once the Zora tribe? I've never seen anything like that before. Interesting. So, Lord Valoo is the cause of the Zoras being there no longer, but instead, begin part of the Ruto Tribe?

[Onilink89]

firebunnies123, what you are posting is spam.

anyway the only 2 clues that i have is that medli carries the bloodline of the zora sage.
and her logo on her shirt
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cb/Medli.jpg

there is a possibility that the Rito was once the zora, but that lord valoo is the cause, i'm not sure about that. as avenged said, he gives a scale to grow wings.

[Kybyrian]

Perhaps they were the Zoras. After all, things got bad in the Sea. Perhaps the found refuge on {name of island Valoo roosts on} and Valoo gave them wings. That's just my guess though.

[Onilink89]

hmmm yeah, but is valoo also the cause of their evolution? or did they adjust their forms like how the kokiri became koroks.

i mean kolami is a rito without wings at the start, the chief explains the system of that rito 's go to valoo to recieve the scale to grow wings on a certain age.

back to main main question. who believes that the rito were once the zora?

[Kybyrian]

I do believe that the Rito were once the Zora. Perhaps something made them evolve to the forms they are now. Like said, Valoo only gives them the wings, but the bodies like that were already there.

[MiniMeMilo]

I completely believe that the Rito tribe are ascendents of the Zora. Think about it; if the Kokiri had enough time to evolve into something as different as the Korok, don't you think the Zora could potentially become a beaked tribe of wingless man-birds? Although that leaves the question, why are they born without wings? I don't think they will ever start growing wings, since such drastic changes are unneeded as long as Valoo is in existence.

Another thing that leads to this theory is the similarity between the name of the tribe, and the name of a sage. Don't you think Rito, the tribe of man-birds from TWW, sounds oddly familiar to Ruto, the Zora princess and also a sage, from OoT?

[RyanNope]

If the Zora turned into the Rito then why are there Zora scales in PH which is a direct sequel to WW.I think that the rito are a completely different race. there is a possibility that the Zora entrusted the Saffire to the rito tribe, and thats why there is that symbol... but don't you get the saffire from that whale thing?

[Kybyrian]

The sapphire thing is Nayru's Pearl and you get it from the giant fish, Jabun. Just because there are Zora scales in PH doesn't mean the Rito weren't Zoras at one time. The scales could have just been left behind.

[Onilink89]

yes but you miss one big point here, PH is a sequel alright, but it plays in a whole other world.

[MiniMeMilo]

yes but you miss one big point here, PH is a sequel alright, but it plays in a whole other world.

Are you sure about that? I don't own PH myself, but from what I've heard it's a direct sequel and is in the same time period.

[Onilink89]

Are you sure about that? I don't own PH myself, but from what I've heard it's a direct sequel and is in the same time period.

yes its a direct sequal from WW. but PH it plays in a other dimension.

[Smitie]

yes its a direct sequal from WW. but PH it plays in a other dimension.

i don't have ph, but i think your right. in ww link and tetra go to another land at the end of the game.

[zeypherlink]

Yes...The Zoras evolved into the Rito over time. Just like the Kokiri evolved into the Korok. I learned about this in biology...its called adaptaion. They pretty much couldn't go on in their current state, so over time they develpoed different physical qualities.

And Valoo gave them the ability to fly, it says so in the game.

[MiniMeMilo]

yes its a direct sequal from WW. but PH it plays in a other dimension.
Sorry about that, I assumed that PH was in the same setting as TWW was. I don't own the game, nor do I remember the ending in TWW. Now that I understand that, it even further strengthens my beliefs that the Rito are the evolved creatures that came from the Zora.

I just remembered something crucial to this theory. As you all know, Makar is a Korok from Forest Haven who plays the violin. Fado is a Kokiri, and also the previous Sage of Wind, who played the same violin as Makar does. Is there a possible connection here?

Medli is a Rito from Dragon Roost Island who plays the harp. Laruto is a Zora, the former Sage of Earth, and plays the same harp that Medli is seen playing too. Not to mention she is wearing the same sash type cloth that Medli is wearing. Is this yet another connection between races?

[firebunnies123]

so if zoras turned to ritos that makes sense. I still believe it would make more sense to stay zoras since most of hyrule is ocean. Sure there are monsters in the sea, but down below by hyrule castle (where king of red lions takes link) it is pretty safe. Also on the subject of ph what world are link and tetra in? I have the game and its pretty stupid they say its a different world. It has a lot of the same races like gorons.

[Alder Dragon]

so if zoras turned to ritos that makes sense. I still believe it would make more sense to stay zoras since most of hyrule is ocean. Sure there are monsters in the sea, but down below by hyrule castle (where king of red lions takes link) it is pretty safe. Also on the subject of ph what world are link and tetra in? I have the game and its pretty stupid they say its a different world. It has a lot of the same races like gorons.



When you finish the game you'll find out, I don't want to spoil anything for you. PM me if you have any questions.

[Onilink89]

Sorry about that, I assumed that PH was in the same setting as TWW was. I don't own the game, nor do I remember the ending in TWW. Now that I understand that, it even further strengthens my beliefs that the Rito are the evolved creatures that came from the Zora.

I just remembered something crucial to this theory. As you all know, Makar is a Korok from Forest Haven who plays the violin. Fado is a Kokiri, and also the previous Sage of Wind, who played the same violin as Makar does. Is there a possible connection here?

Medli is a Rito from Dragon Roost Island who plays the harp. Laruto is a Zora, the former Sage of Earth, and plays the same harp that Medli is seen playing too. Not to mention she is wearing the same sash type cloth that Medli is wearing. Is this yet another connection between races?

uuuhm yes, thats what i tried to explain in my first post. and thats the one huge clue why the rito may have been the zora 's. and it is explained in the game that the koroks were once the kokiri. so if this is related on bloodline, then the possibility of the rito tribe were once the zora"" is big.

Edit: i'm currently busy replaying WW, and i'm at the part were Laruto the zora sage is now talking.
this is what she said:
"You must find the one who carries on my bloodline...The one who holds this sacred instrument..."

[Mases]

What doesn't make sense to me, like many others have said in this topic, why did the Zora need to evolve if the land was flooded. They are already excellent swimmers and this type of world best suits their physical features.

However, once they gained the ability to fly, Darwinism would say that because the swimming capabilities of the Rito were now obsolete, their survival was based solely on flying skill. While they didn't inherit wings as genetics and rather, were given them, they would never grow their own wings, but their 'fins' for swimming would probably disappear over the long haul. I suppose their beaks also formed because of survival of the fittest. Maybe the beak helps their flying capabilities, so those with poor or no beak slowly died off while the dominant beak Zora/Rita survived.

I suppose I'm probably over analyzing the Darwinism aspect of evolution. Either way, I wasn't quite happy with the Rito tribe evolution, if it even really is an evolution and not a completely different tribe. I'd much rather have them be different species all togethor. As a Zelda fan, the bigger the better, the more the marrier. Thus, rather than 'eliminating' one race to create another, they should have just introduced a whole new race (which they possibly even did so). I'd love to believe that and in future games see the Zora and Rito both in the same game, much as I'd like to see several of the other so called 'evolved' races blend in as well. A game with 10-12 different races would be sweet.

[Avenged]

What other so called races..the Koroks? Its proven they were evolved from the Kokiri. Also, maybe they couldnt survive int he ocean since they are..fresh water creatures? When have the Zora lived in the ocean?

[zeypherlink]

What other so called races..the Koroks? Its proven they were evolved from the Kokiri. Also, maybe they couldnt survive int he ocean since they are..fresh water creatures? When have the Zora lived in the ocean?
Haha, very true. We only see them in Lake Hylia and in the Rivers.

[Onilink89]

What other so called races..the Koroks? Its proven they were evolved from the Kokiri. Also, maybe they couldnt survive int he ocean since they are..fresh water creatures? When have the Zora lived in the ocean?

uuuhhhm... thats what i also was thinking, but then i missed also one very important point.
majora's mask, the zora there live in the sea.

and yes it is proven that kokiri are the koroks. the great deku tree tells you that the once had a human form but they were forced to djust their form due the great flood.

[Avenged]

Well i think Termina is the exception. We got the Gerudo who are now pirates, Zora who dwell in the sea, Gorons who live atop an ice mountain... MM was just a huge acid trip IMO.

[Smitie]

the rito also have a protector deity like the zora's in Oot had. the rito have valoo and the zora's had lord jabu jabu

[Onilink89]

the rito also have a protector deity like the zora's in Oot had. the rito have valoo and the zora's had lord jabu jabu

got a point there.
by the way, i discoverd something today. apperently midna is not the only one who wears the zora logo. prince kolami also has the logo when he has wings. the logo is on its necklace.
it may not be a huge clue but still this means that midna is not the only one who wears it.

why you ask? because laruto the earth sage could also meant something else with the "bloodline", the sage bloodline. medli could also be the resurrected form of a sage. Like that owl (forgot that name) in oot. he also was sage in a ressurected form. if medli was the only one wearing the zora logo, then there was also a chance that she 's just a resurected sage.

now that i have seen the logo on prince kolami, i'm starting to believe more that the rito are the zora. there may be more clues in the game that i havn 't noticed yet.

[Mehplep]

I liked that part with a ressurected sage, but it have a hatch... Laruto asked Link to find her decendant, not her ressurected form. Medli is a decendant to Laruto, and not Laruto herself...

[Mike Pothier]

Yes, I do believe the Rito are descended from the Zora tribe in OoT. But I think 'evolved' is the wrong term here. IIRC, the Deku Tree specifically said that the Koroks once took the form of children, which to me implied they were changed unnaturally, probably using magic. Its possible the same happened with the Rito tribe.

[Smitie]

Yes, I do believe the Rito are descended from the Zora tribe in OoT. But I think 'evolved' is the wrong term here. IIRC, the Deku Tree specifically said that the Koroks once took the form of children, which to me implied they were changed unnaturally, probably using magic. Its possible the same happened with the Rito tribe.

That could be possible. maybe the gods changed the zora into the rito because if they could swim, they would see the old hyrule under the sea while the gods wanted hyrule to be forgotten.

[Onilink89]

That could be possible. maybe the gods changed the zora into the rito because if they could swim, they would see the old hyrule under the sea while the gods wanted hyrule to be forgotten.

i still think the the zora evolved in to the rito

it may sound unlogical that why the zora evolved when there is a huge ocean.
and i don 't think that they just evovled from the dangers of the sea or they can 't stand salt water.

there is one important fact that i missed.
the king of red lions said that before hyrule became flooded, people took refuge in to the mountains.

he also said that you have to find the temples from above because you can 't acces it from hyrule anymore. so its sounds more logical that the zora evolved in to the rito.

[Leix]

Here's my offset opinion:
The Zora didn't evolve. Why would they evolve? If their water mass just got BIGGER why try and live above water?
No, I considered the Korok's evolution. The Koroks learned how to fly using the leaves provided by the Great Deku Tree Jr.
The Gorons are either IN the mountains, or mostly wiped out, but they still exist so It's not Gorons.
Hylians obviously are still around on islands.
The Gerudos...are still pirates i'm sure. I believe that they lived in the fortress and then Ganondorf turned them all into pigs.
So what major race does this leave?
What race is the only one with beaks, and still canon?
What's the race that everyone forgets, figuratively and literally?
Skull kids.
Skull kids have beaks. And if they're all lost in the forest, how can they figure out how to do things like Koroks? Through the spirit of Valoo. Note that after the flood(Dependent on which timeline you go by), Skullkids no longer have beaks.
Skull kids are pretty much helpless as the land is about to flood.

However, they all have the 'Zora symbol' but i'm stuck on thinking that that symbol isn't Zora so much as Nayru. Who happened to play a harp as an incarnated Oracle.

Also, If you'll look at Stalchildren and Ritos, they both have red eyes. Zora eyes are fishy black.

[Smitie]

Here's my offset opinion:
The Zora didn't evolve. Why would they evolve? If their water mass just got BIGGER why try and live above water?
No, I considered the Korok's evolution. The Koroks learned how to fly using the leaves provided by the Great Deku Tree Jr.
The Gorons are either IN the mountains, or mostly wiped out, but they still exist so It's not Gorons.
Hylians obviously are still around on islands.
The Gerudos...are still pirates i'm sure. I believe that they lived in the fortress and then Ganondorf turned them all into pigs.
So what major race does this leave?
What race is the only one with beaks, and still canon?
What's the race that everyone forgets, figuratively and literally?
Skull kids.
Skull kids have beaks. And if they're all lost in the forest, how can they figure out how to do things like Koroks? Through the spirit of Valoo. Note that after the flood(Dependent on which timeline you go by), Skullkids no longer have beaks.
Skull kids are pretty much helpless as the land is about to flood.

However, they all have the 'Zora symbol' but i'm stuck on thinking that that symbol isn't Zora so much as Nayru. Who happened to play a harp as an incarnated Oracle.

Also, If you'll look at Stalchildren and Ritos, they both have red eyes. Zora eyes are fishy black.

In evolution terms it would be logical if the zora eyes changed. They have eyes that are designed to look under water. If they kept these eyes if they got on land/ turn into rito they would see all blurry. I think the zora's got a little help from the gods, because a animal species can't evolve so drasticly in just a couple hundred years.

[blackice_cc]

Well, the Rito evolving from Skull kids sounds sort of logical, except for the fact that it doesn't account for the missing Zora's. It's more likely that the Zora's evolved into the Rito with a little help from the Gods, so that they wouldn't find the old Hyrule. Zora's would probably settle on the bottom of the sea, and the Gods wouldn't want them to discover old Hyrule, they wanted the people above the sea to make a new one.

[Leix]

Why wouldn't the Goddesses want them to find Hyrule? Ganon was the only one who dosen't want people heading to Hyrule. Wait, who flooded Hyrule? Was it Ganon, or was it the Goddesses stopping Ganon?

Ok, and about the eyes Smitie. If they couldn't see on land, then why the heck are Zoras standing on land all the time?

And another question: Where do the LoZ Zoras fit into this? They look much different, and prefer to kill people on land from water instead of communicate.

[blackice_cc]

And another question: Where do the LoZ Zoras fit into this? They look much different, and prefer to kill people on land from water instead of communicate.

The Zora's in LoZ are river Zora's (http://zeldawiki.org/River_Zora), who are pretty hostile. Also, it was the Goddesses who flooded Hyrule to stop Ganon, and as for not wanting anyone to find Hyrule, in WW it said that the Godesses wanted the people to find a new Hyrule (I'm pretty sure) instead of finding the old one for some reason.

[Leix]

Yet they gave out pretty pearls and set up three islands?

[blackice_cc]

Yet they gave out pretty pearls and set up three islands?

Well, the Goddesses might have thought that Ganon would one day come back, so they set up a way to the Master Sword that only a Hero could get to. Also, we should probably get back on topic, but I can't think of anything more to say about the Rito.

[Onilink89]

whoooh what did i miss here, now its suddenly skull kids and stalchildren.
people come up with theories these days depending 2 much on the looks. and we even brought the zora 's from the other zelda titles here.

there are 3 major points that support this theory:
1. the symbol
2. the sage
3. the sage saying only the bloodline carries the instrument

Leix, i agree with one thing with you. why the hell did the zora 's evovle when there is so many water that they could live, they didn 't need a reason to adjust. thats also what i was thinking in the first place
but...
as i said in one of my earlier posts, we are missing one important fact. the king of red lions told you something about that all people took refuge in the mountain tops when ganon escaped from the sacred realm. and then the gods decided to seal hyrule so the great flood occurd. so it would make sense why the zora evolved. and why the gorons didn 't in WW. the gorons already lived in the mountains, the zora would have by now adjusted theirselfs before the great flood. but most of the gorons is wiped out.

[Leix]

Well, I believe that
1. The symbol is simply a symbol representative of Nayru, not nescisarilly Zoras. It was on the pearl. And if you'll notice, only Jabun himself had Nayru's pearl, the Rito tribe only had the silly Din's pearl.
2 & 3. I know I know, but whos to say that t here wasn't any cross breeding or anything along those lines?l
And your fourth point dosen't seem to really answer anything about the Zora evolving. It still dosen't make any sense for Zora to take refugee.

[Onilink89]

Well, I believe that
1. The symbol is simply a symbol representative of Nayru, not nescisarilly Zoras. It was on the pearl. And if you'll notice, only Jabun himself had Nayru's pearl, the Rito tribe only had the silly Din's pearl.
2 & 3. I know I know, but whos to say that t here wasn't any cross breeding or anything along those lines?l
And your fourth point dosen't seem to really answer anything about the Zora evolving. It still dosen't make any sense for Zora to take refugee.

ok i will try my best to awnser this:
1. if you say that symbol represent naryu, then explain why the spitual stones are also shaped in those symbol. if they also representthe 3 goddesses, it still would not make any sense, because din 's pearl as a whole other symbol. what would that say? is there a 4th goddess or something, i higly doubt that.
2&3
- i don 't know anything about cross breeding, but who can breed with zora 's?
- my 4th point doesn 't makes sense? why? zora+living in high mountain doesn 't fit in my eyes. and for the 3th time, they took refuge because ganon escaped from the sacred realm.
so to put it simple: ganon escaped from sacred realm ---> people hope for the hero of time to return--->hero doesn 't shop up--->people take refuge to the mountains.

[Leix]

ok i will try my best to awnser this:
1. if you say that symbol represent naryu, then explain why the spitual stones are also shaped in those symbol. if they also representthe 3 goddesses, it still would not make any sense, because din 's pearl as a whole other symbol. what would that say? is there a 4th goddess or something, i higly doubt that. ...
- my 4th point doesn 't makes sense? why? zora+living in high mountain doesn 't fit in my eyes. and for the 3th time, they took refuge because ganon escaped from the sacred realm.
so to put it simple: ganon escaped from sacred realm ---> people hope for the hero of time to return--->hero doesn 't shop up--->people take refuge to the mountains.
But the Zoras don't LIVE in the mountains, they primarily live UNDER THE WATER! And why would they need to take refugee!? Isn't being in the water well hidden enough!? The humans flee to the mountains because they can not live under the water, but the Zoras? Why wouldn't they just swim down to the bottom stay there?

[dark_link01]

I think that the Rito tribe are supposed to be descendants of the Zora, but no it does not make sense. Ganon escaping the Sacred Realm is irrelevant to the fact that the water is unsafe in the Great Sea because Ganon does not want to take over the Great Sea. He simply wants the Triforce. When Ganon escapes and Hyrule is submerged, the people take refuge on the mountains because they cannot live underwater, who knows what happend to the Gorons, and Ganon goes above water to search for Zelda...Which is where we have Wind Waker taking place eventually.

The Seas are not in any danger because of Ganon or his minions; therefore, there is no reason a Zora would be unable to continue living as they are.

[Onilink89]

But the Zoras don't LIVE in the mountains, they primarily live UNDER THE WATER! And why would they need to take refugee!? Isn't being in the water well hidden enough!? The humans flee to the mountains because they can not live under the water, but the Zoras? Why wouldn't they just swim down to the bottom stay there?

you tell me, or go ask the king of red lions.
he is the one who said about the whole refuge thing.
but from what i read from your post, you think the people took refuge because of the great flood. they already fled to the mountains before the great flood accurd. the reason is that ganon took over hyrule and the hero didn 't show up. and then the gods decided to drown hyrule.