Gerudo

[Mases]

In Ocarina of Time, the Gerudo take on many changes throughout the game. The Gerudo are a tribe of all women, but there is one male Gerudo every 100 years. This male Gerudo happens to be Ganondorf.

At first, the Gerudo don't want Link to be apart of their tribe and each time he comes near, they capture him and toss him into the Gerudo Prison. Only after he duels with the Gerudo's is he rewarded a Gerudo membership and allowed to walk freely amongst the Gerudo Fortress. At that point the Gerudo are friends with Link, allowing him to use their archery game as well as their training grounds.

Link later encounters the 2nd in charge Gerudo, Nabooru. She is found within the Spirit Temple and Link learns that Nabooru despises Ganondorf. Link later goes on to help Nabooru and defeats the Spirit Temple, later finding out that she was the Spirit Sage.

In Majora's Mask, the Gerudo are pirates along the Great Bay. Once again, they are entirely a female tribe. These Gerudo's are advanced and seem to be doing some sort of research. The have an edge in technology since they use motorboats and cannons.

Other then that, the Gerudo are not found in any of the main Zelda games. (Not counting Ganon and Twinrova). They do make an apperance in the Four Sword Adventures though.


There are a few mysterious I find to be quite odd with the Gerudo race. Apparently there is one male Gerudo every 100 years. So how exactly do they keep existing? Don't they need to have children? My guess is that means the Gerudo either head on over to town, find a man, and have a child. Or maybe, just that Gerudo male is the only father of all the Gerudo children. What if there is a female child that is born? There is so much that doesn't make sense about the Gerudo race.

Where are they in the rest of the Zelda games??? If you are one that believes in a timeline or a split timeline, it is commonly believed that the Gerudo race was wiped out with the Great Flood that is the Wind Waker. Fine, but how about Twilight Princess, the Minish Cap, either of the Oracle games, any of the four early Zelda games?

Did they only exist in the land of Hyrule & Termina and the ones in Hyrule all of a sudden decided, forget it, we are leaving. Too many unsolved mysterious regarding this race.

[linkman8]

There are a few mysterious I find to be quite odd with the Gerudo race. Apparently there is one male Gerudo every 100 years. So how exactly do they keep existing? Don't they need to have children? My guess is that means the Gerudo either head on over to town, find a man, and have a child. Or maybe, just that Gerudo male is the only father of all the Gerudo children. What if there is a female child that is born? There is so much that doesn't make sense about the Gerudo race.

I've been wondering about this, myself.

Oh, and with the Gerudos in MM, they said they were pirates, so perhaps Nintendo just needed to reuse the original Gerudos in the game to play as the pirates. I'm probably not making much sense, but perhaps the pirates aren't Gerudos at all.
Perhaps why they're not seen in any of the other games is because the game just didn't take place in an area of the world that Gerudos inhabited? Maybe they were there, but you just didn't get to see them.

[Onilink89]

yeah its strange. as far as i know, MM is an entirely other dimension so i count that out.

as for oot, maybe gerudo fortress wasn 't "in" hyrule but rather just outside it. i mean, when you first encounter zelda in the game ganondorf pledges loyalty to the king of hyrule, so i assume there wasn 't any connection between ganondorf and the king in the past, while the gorons, zoras, sheikans already had a long time connection with the king of hyrule.

yes the gerudo legend of having a male leader after each 100 years sounds unlogical.
i was wondering also how they make babies if there arn't any males. but later when is was touring around hyrule to search for gossip stones (because i obtained the mask of truth) there was one gossip stone just outside the temple of time.
the gossipstone said this:
"They say that Gerudos sometimes come to Hyrule Castle Town to look for boyfriends."

so the only reason i can come up with is that they are making babies with their boyfriends, but still that there will be a male born in every 100 years sounds unlogical.

[Avenged]

The gerudo are the twili. TP occured 100 or so years after OoT, and a male Gerudo is born every 100 years, the second known male is known as...Zant. Midna said their race were banished from Hyrule, which is understandable why the Gerudo was banished seeing how Ganondorf himself is Gerudo.

Pay attention to the fight with Ganon at the end of TP, he too possesses the power of the Twilight. Once Midna turns back to human form, she resembles a Gerudo. Isnt it also weird that the portal to the Twilight Realm is in the Gerudo Desert? Im not sure how much clearer TP can show everyone that the twili are in fact the gerudo.

Im actually going to be writing a full blown article concerning this later, full of spoilers.

EDIT : Ok while playing Twilight Princess again, I have found in game quotes pretty much proving the gerudo are the twili.

Quotes by Auru (speaking of Gerudo Desert) : "The criminals who were sentenced to death were sent directly to the uderworld by a cursed mirror that was kept in the prison" "This desert at worlds end...it still holds the cursed mirror and the malice of the doomed inmates"

Midna (right when you enter the Gerudo Desert) : "About the fused shadows...what do you think happened to the magic wielders who tried to rule the sacred realm?" (screen gazes to the desert wasteland) "They were banished...They were chased along the sacred lands of Hyrule and riven into another realm by the goddesses."

Then goes to cut scene explaining the realm. "Its denizens became shadows that could not mingle with the light, eventually most came to call it..the twilight realm." "This is the history of th twili as it has been passed down from our ancestors". " Do you now undertstand what Iam?...I'm a descendant of the 'tribe' that was banished to the twilight realm"

Aside from all that, Ganondorf himself was banished to the realm of twilight...

Sages "Only the true leader of the twili can utterly destroy the mirror of twilight...so Zant could only merely break it into pieces"

The Gerudo are the Twili.

[ssj5goten]

o and btw how they keep existing check the stones at the temple of time in oot they say gerudo sometimes come to town too look for boyfriends so i guess that is the way.

[Smitie]

maybe the gerudo are based on the legend of the amazons in greek mythology. they were a female-only tribe and they killed their sons or left them to die when they were born (quite scary, but that is what i heard).

[Alder Dragon]

You know, Zauz from the Phantom Hourglass strangly resembles a Gerudo.

[linkman8]

Somewhere on the internet, I even heard someone say Zauz was Ganondorf.

[Alder Dragon]

Somewhere on the internet, I even heard someone say Zauz was Ganondorf.

Wow, that's quite a stretch. But I guess anything is possible when it comes to Zelda.

[linkman8]

Wow, that's quite a stretch.
That's what I thought too.

Speaking of which, though, I do remember something being rather peculiar about Zauz.

[Mases]

I heard that Zauz was part of the Cobble Kingdom who lived on the Isle of Ruins and their remains are burried on the Island of the Dead.

In regards to Phantom Hourglass, I have read online that Jolene and Joanne were of Gerudo descent.

[Alder Dragon]

In regards to Phantom Hourglass, I have read online that Jolene and Joanne were of Gerudo descent.

Hm, that makes sense. I completely forgot about them.

[linkman8]

I did too. They're Gerudo descent, but one is a pirate. Maybe the Gerudos took up the life of pirates...

[Onilink89]

yeah i heard that too, but then then i was thinking back the pirates of mm and maybe tought that the dimension in PH is flooded termina. but still i think its a other dimension.

anyway avenged is right about his theory that gerudo 's are in fact the twili, it also makes more sense why ganondorf helped zant and why zant wanted the throne.

[MiniMeMilo]

Back on page 1, Avenged stated that the Twili were actually the Gerudo. As you all know, the Gerudo is an all female tribe withe only one male born every 100 years. The only way that Avenged's theory could be true, is if the male Gerudo lived on well past that 100 years. If my memory serves correct, the Twili were all males after you brok the curse on them. Unless females run around with no shirts on regularly in Zelda games. I could be wrong, but I think they were males...

[Avenged]

Thats possible, but TP does in fact take places 'hundreds' of years after OoT, there could have been several males born by then.

[MiniMeMilo]

That's kind of what I was thinking. Maybe in the Twilight Realm many laws do not come into effect. Maybe they can live for up to, say, 1000 years. Maybe more, who knows? But where were all the females? Maybe it turned out like an ant colony where the queen(Midna) has like 100 babies per day. Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating, but you get the idea.

[Avenged]

Yea, but from what I seen in the twilight realm, we saw the twili in the palace only due to not being able to visit the whole twilight realm in general. but who knows, Im sure the next console Zelda will reveal more details.

[Kybyrian]

Tch, if they explain anymore about the Twilight Realm and pick it up again in another Zelda game.

The Gerudos have always interested me. Like many of you, I always thought that it was weird that a male was born every 100 years. I also wondered how they continued to make children. But that seems to be solved by that gossip stone quote :p

I never really payed too close attention to the many details that Twilight Princess provided to determine that the Gerudo people are in fact Twili. That's quite interesting.

[Alder Dragon]

I hate how Nintendo leaves unresolved things like this. Us fans are forced to find connections and rely on them.. then a new game is released that makes it even more complicated. Let alone having to think about the Minish.

[Mases]

I've progressed further in Twilight Princess, (just reached the Palace of Twilight), but I'm not sure I agree with everything that said here.

During the Ocarina of Time, I don't really remember the Gerudo being supportive of Ganondorf. I do remember Nabooru acting as an enemy to the Ganondorf, but I don't really remember much relation from the Gerudo to Ganondorf other than the obvious, him being the single male and being of Gerudo descent. So why would the Gerudo be banished? For just being theives? It seems to me that they had their own little civilization and just didn't like outsiders. In fact, they even opened up to Link when he proved himself worthy.

I've read online that there have been theories that the Twili are descendents from the Zuna tribe from the Four Swords Adventures.
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Zuna
The Gerudo were a seperate tribe from the Zuna in FSA, but I won't go into this because it is a topic of its own.

The Gerudo to me have always been a very loyal trible group. Always bonded close with one another, much closer than the other races in the Zelda world. Thus, perhaps they travel in packs and just during the time periods of the games, they weren't living in the area of the game. This could explain why they are only found in a select few Zelda titles. (Not counting Ganondorf and Twinrova)

[zeypherlink]

Thats a good point, Mases.
And-
The inscription on the stone tablet behind the Trident shows that it was designed for evil purposes by an evil race. One of the maidens says to Link that a dark tribe tried to invade Hyrule, but were defeated and sealed inside the Dark Mirror, found inside the Temple of Darkness. It seems to fit that the evil tribe that was sealed inside the Dark Mirror, are the Zuna ancestors, as they may have used their Trident to attempt to take over Hyrule.
*SPOILER WARNING*
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At the end of TP, Midna uses a Trident type thing after she uses the fused shadows to transform, if I remember correctly.
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*END SPOILER WARNING*

The "Dark Mirror" is no doubt the Mirror of the Twilight.

So maybe the Zuna are the Twili...

[Kybyrian]

I'm thinking, that they were banished, because as you can see, weren't very friendly to others. Unlike Link, almost everybody in Hyrule is too scared to do anything, and are generally weak. The Gerudo captured the carpenters in Ocarina of Time, and pretty much denied access to anybody. Even I would open up to a person if they had defeated all those people and passed them all up. Nabooru always seemed a bit nicer than the other Gerudo. She sure didn't like Ganondorf, I know that; but that was because he wanted complete control, and wanted to share it with nobody.

[zeypherlink]

I think we're missing another important detail.
If the Twili are the Gerudos, then how did they get a hold of that ancient magic in the first place?
Also, Im pretty sure it said that they were banished because they tried to invade Hyrule or something like that...Why would the Gerudos invade Hyrule? Gerudo Desert is still part of Hyrule, and the Gerudos looked pretty happy there to me ;)

[Kybyrian]

Well, you know how the Gerudo's were capturing people who came close? And well, they were bandits. Perhaps they were pilfering from the people in Hyrule and were forever banished once and for all. It seems reasonable. They were a band of thieves. I do believe that they are the Twili. How they got ahold of the Ancient Magic? Don't ask me :p

[Onilink89]

I'm thinking, that they were banished, because as you can see, weren't very friendly to others. Unlike Link, almost everybody in Hyrule is too scared to do anything, and are generally weak. The Gerudo captured the carpenters in Ocarina of Time, and pretty much denied access to anybody. Even I would open up to a person if they had defeated all those people and passed them all up. Nabooru always seemed a bit nicer than the other Gerudo. She sure didn't like Ganondorf, I know that; but that was because he wanted complete control, and wanted to share it with nobody.

the carpenters were captured because they were males. yes the gerudo are just thieves, for far as i know ganondorf, and those two whitches are gerudo 's that can use magic.
Nabooru didn 't like ganondorf because he killed lots of innocent lives, or something like that.

[Avenged]

Wow some good points, you're missing one valid point Mases, FSA is a SPINOFF. Even if we were to count it as part of the timeline and if your theory is correct, then ALttP must have happened before Twilight Princess as well (along with FS).

Plus..the fact that Ganondorf himself is using the power of the Twili...and the fact he is the first to be banished to the Twilight Realm.

Here's a most obvious reason why the Gerudo were banished...Ganondorf tried to take over Hyrule! By now you should know he is in fact a Gerudo...Now how can the people of Hyrule prevent another sick magic wielding gerudo from taking over Hyrule?...hmm banishment? I think so. Yes, the Gerudo race are in fact wielders of the 'black magic'. They have always wielded this magic...It even says in ALttP that Magdrag Ganon (Ganondorf Dragmire) is exceptional at the black arts...

Ok, now we're saying the dark Mirror is the same as the Mirror of Twilight? Ok, we might as well say the Magic Mirror from ALttP is as well..since it too gives Link access to a 'darkworld' oh wait, its just the Golden Land. Hell, we might as well say the Magic Book from LoZ is the Book of Mudora...and the Triforce of Courage..is also the Triforce of Power!!! LOL anyways...We wont truly know until TP's sequal releases...oops, I've said too much...

Also, one more thing..the Gerudo being banished would make total sense (kinda like a loophole for Nintendo) since well...Gerudo has not appeared in the games following TP in the timeline, that be including...ALttP, LA, LoZ, AoL, Oracles...

[zeypherlink]

Also, one more thing..the Gerudo being banished would make total sense (kinda like a loophole for Nintendo) since well...Gerudo has not appeared in the games following TP in the timeline, that be including...ALttP, LA, LoZ, AoL, Oracles...
Yeah, that makes sense. Nintendo probably did it on accident though, lol.

[Onilink89]

Wow some good points, you're missing one valid point Mases, FSA is a SPINOFF. Even if we were to count it as part of the timeline and if your theory is correct, then ALttP must have happened before Twilight Princess as well (along with FS).

Plus..the fact that Ganondorf himself is using the power of the Twili...and the fact he is the first to be banished to the Twilight Realm.

Here's a most obvious reason why the Gerudo were banished...Ganondorf tried to take over Hyrule! By now you should know he is in fact a Gerudo...Now how can the people of Hyrule prevent another sick magic wielding gerudo from taking over Hyrule?...hmm banishment? I think so. Yes, the Gerudo race are in fact wielders of the 'black magic'. They have always wielded this magic...It even says in ALttP that Magdrag Ganon (Ganondorf Dragmire) is exceptional at the black arts...

Ok, now we're saying the dark Mirror is the same as the Mirror of Twilight? Ok, we might as well say the Magic Mirror from ALttP is as well..since it too gives Link access to a 'darkworld' oh wait, its just the Golden Land. Hell, we might as well say the Magic Book from LoZ is the Book of Mudora...and the Triforce of Courage..is also the Triforce of Power!!! LOL anyways...We wont truly know until TP's sequal releases...oops, I've said too much...

Also, one more thing..the Gerudo being banished would make total sense (kinda like a loophole for Nintendo) since well...Gerudo has not appeared in the games following TP in the timeline, that be including...ALttP, LA, LoZ, AoL, Oracles...

i believe that the gerudo are the twili, but something bothers me.
midna also said in the game that the magic that zant used is different that the twili tribe used. and we all know ganondorf gave him that power. so what does that means? that ganondorf use only the triforce of power or is it that ganondorf magic is also ancient magic?

[Avenged]

Yes he says he obtained the power of the gods as well...meaning he too used the power of the Triforce.

[Onilink89]

Yes he says he obtained the power of the gods as well...meaning he too used the power of the Triforce.

ow like that, ok now the ending makes more sense.

[Mases]

I really am not ready to make any assumptions. I've read online about the Zuna from Four Swords Adventures, but I haven't played the game. Thus, all the information I've heard or read has been just opinionated works over other people. Things with the trident of power from lttp, etc...

Also, I've yet to complete Twilight Princess (at the Palace of Twilight), so I can't make a full judgement about the Twili either.

Overal, both seem very plausable and just from the information I've read, I think I'd lean more towards the Zuna, but I'd love to play through the game myself and check it out more extensively.

The Zuna need to make more appearances for this to be believeable in my opinion. Since all in all, the Twili have only made one apperance and the Zuna have only made one apperance, while the Gerudo have made limited appearances. Not truly enough to get accurate data on all three tribes and make the connections. I surely hope we get more information on these trio of tribes.

[RyanNope]

I don't think that the Gerudo are the Twili. I think that the Zuna are, even if they are from a "SPINOFF". I think that the only reason we've seen the Gerudo in limited games is that they're not part of Hyrule. They are likely their own nation, one of the sages just happened to come from the Gerudo tribe.

Onilink, PH takes place in the same dimension as WW, it's just in another reigon. The area in WW wasn't the whole world, neither is PH. The fact is that the Gerudo might have become pirates perhaps not. Maybe those two aren't the only Gerudos left, they're just seperated from the rest.

[Avenged]

Prove to me that FS, FSA, ALttP, and TMC happens before TP...then I will back down from my theory about the Gerudo being the Twili.

[RyanNope]

Well Avenged, The Triforce was seperated in OoT and seems to remain that way or in pieces through out the following games (WW, OOS/OOA, LoZ) yet in ALttP the Triforce is whole.

[Avenged]

Ok, so it is impossible in your theory there...All Im trying to say is..if the Zuna are the Twili...then FS would have to be before TP...FSA and TMC would as well seeing how they both tie in with the Four Sword saga....and the same with ALttP thanks to nintendo since FSA and ALttP are linked in its newer form.

[RyanNope]

Wait, have you played FSA? they said that they were a remnant of a tribe that was sealed in realm of darkness (or something like that) for trying to take over long ago, like at the beginning of time.

[Avenged]

Yes I've played it (I've played pretty much every single Zelda game, excluding the Tingle RPG). Ok...so in that theory they can be both. Just like the Koroks are the remnant on the Kokiri...Gerudo>Twili>Zuna. All desert habitants...no?

I just go with the obvious, Ganondorf was the first to be banished to the Twilight Realm (dont believe me..play TP again, cutscene after Arbiters Grounds). And the fact he possesses power of the Twili...

[zeypherlink]

I strongly agree with the argument you're presenting, Anenged, but--
http://zeldawiki.org/Telma
If Telma is a Gerudo, the whole theory is trash.

[Avenged]

Telma is hylian...she has the pointy ears first off and resides in..Hyrule Castle Town. And if Im correct all gerudo have rounded ears...including Ganondorf.

[zeypherlink]

Telma is hylian...she has the pointy ears first off and resides in..Hyrule Castle Town. And if Im correct all gerudo have rounded ears...including Ganondorf.
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Ganondorf
Its hard to tell...but they're a lot shorter than Hylian ears.

[Mases]

It is really hard to say with Zant and Midna since they always have something covering their ears, so we don't know if they are pointed or not. For what it's wort, the imp version of Midna has really pointy ears.

Prove to me that FS, FSA, ALttP, and TMC happens before TP...then I will back down from my theory about the Gerudo being the Twili.

Like I've said, I haven't played FSA so all I'm going by is what I've read on the internet. One thing that I have read about the Zuna though is that it says that the Zuna didn't really create the Trident of Power, but their ancestors did. These ancestors were skilled in magic but don't exactly have a name, but it seems logical that they may not actually be the Zuna, but just ancestors. The Gerudo, Twili, and Zuna could all be descendents of this 'dark magic tribe'.

This could explain why the Gerudo have close similarities to the Twili and the Zuna and also why the Twili and Zuna have similarities. Years ago they could have been a part of the same tribe that did create the Trident of Power. The trident could have been created long before anything in any of the Zelda games ever took place. I don't remember if the series ever touched on when the Master Sword was created, but it seems logical that the Trident of Power was created at the same time, as an opposition to the MasterSword.

Thus, I don't think the placement of the games matters as much. The Trident could been created by this ancient evil tribe that is unknown to us and then later evolved into three seperate tribes, the Gerudo, the Twili, and the Zuna. I really hope Nintendo sheds some more light on the subject. Perhaps if this is true, there are more branches of descendents that exist in the Zelda World that we have never heard of.

[Onilink89]

i found something interesting
you know that i made the topic OOT mirror shield
http://zeldadungeon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=223

and my question was what the new symbol was, and the awnser thats its the gerudo symbol. i finnaly found out where i had seen it before
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m33/ZeldaGamer21/Nabooru.jpg

now pay attention to the symbol on its robe on the front, its like a converted gerudo symbol
http://images.wikia.com/zelda/images/a/ac/Zant.jpg
NOTE: image is quite big bet at least you can take a close look.

[Avenged]

If you read any of my past posts, you would have already realized that it is the Gerudo symbol ;)

[zeypherlink]

I just thought of something.
What if Ganondorf had Zant, Veran, and Onox wear the Gerudo symbol simply because hes a Gerudo himself, and its like a symbol for himself...instead of because Zant, Veran, and Onox are all Gerudo?

[Onilink89]

I just thought of something.
What if Ganondorf had Zant, Veran, and Onox wear the Gerudo symbol simply because hes a Gerudo himself, and its like a symbol for himself...instead of because Zant, Veran, and Onox are all Gerudo?

don 't know about veran and onox because i never played the oracle series.
but one thing is for sure, zant is still wearing the robe even before he meets ganondorf.

and avenged, sorry if i was not paying good attention of your past posts about the gerudo symbol. well either way i'm still kinda proud of myself that i found it out on my own :D

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=gn5PEuMJSYQ

[Avenged]

Exactly, and look at Midna, she was also naked.

[Mike Pothier]

I've already debated with Avenged about this, but I do not believe the Twili and the Gerudo are the same people. When Ganon was banished, the twilight realm already existed for quite some time, and the Twili already there. If Ganon was banished at any point after OoT, the Sages should have known he held the Triforce of Power, but they clearly did not.

[zeypherlink]

I've already debated with Avenged about this, but I do not believe the Twili and the Gerudo are the same people. When Ganon was banished, the twilight realm already existed for quite some time, and the Twili already there. If Ganon was banished at any point after OoT, the Sages should have known he held the Triforce of Power, but they clearly did not.
True, true. But think about this: Maybe the Gerudo that were banished were the Gerudo that're related to Koume and Kotake(Twinrova). The Twinrova sisters seemed to have magic powers, and they were Gerudo. Just a thought...

[Avenged]

Back on page 1, Avenged stated that the Twili were actually the Gerudo. As you all know, the Gerudo is an all female tribe withe only one male born every 100 years. The only way that Avenged's theory could be true, is if the male Gerudo lived on well past that 100 years. If my memory serves correct, the Twili were all males after you brok the curse on them. Unless females run around with no shirts on regularly in Zelda games. I could be wrong, but I think they were males...

Midna did. And also, the Gerudo are known to live quite some time....When Link killed Twinrova, she was about 300 years old which explains why we see the same Ganon in all the Zelda games (aside from him having the Triforce of Power which im sure extends his life greatly). If you all recall, Twinrova was also said to be Ganondorf's 'mother' sort to speak. So we have seen good and bad with this race....Nabooru being one of the good, but she wasn't always good...she served Ganondorf well just like every other Gerudo.

Also, it was said in TP that Ganondorf was the true King of the Twilight and Zant's power was false. King of Gerudo...King of Twilight...hmmm

Edit - It is said that the banished tribe broke into the Sacred Realm (the golden land) to try and claim the Triforce and seize the realm. Now lets take a look at a quote from the ALttP manual....

"one day, quite by accident, a gate to the Golden Land of the Triforce was opened by a gang of thieves skilled in the black arts."

[RyanNope]

Ganondorf wasn't the true leader of the twili. Midna was the one with power thats how she shattered the mirror.

[Avenged]

Ofcourse he was, what happened when Ganondorf was defeated? Midna turned back to her true form.

[Mike Pothier]

True, true. But think about this: Maybe the Gerudo that were banished were the Gerudo that're related to Koume and Kotake(Twinrova). The Twinrova sisters seemed to have magic powers, and they were Gerudo. Just a thought...

I can see the Twili being RELATED to the Gerudo, just not the same Gerudo seen in OoT.

Ofcourse he was, what happened when Ganondorf was defeated? Midna turned back to her true form.

Huh? Ganondorf's power is different then the Twili's power, because of the Triforce of Power. That isn't proof he is leader.

[Avenged]

I can see the Twili being RELATED to the Gerudo, just not the same Gerudo seen in OoT.



Huh? Ganondorf's power is different then the Twili's power, because of the Triforce of Power. That isn't proof he is leader.

Play the battle with 'Ganon' again. He uses the power of the twilight to turn invisible. And as I said before Midna didnt turn back to her original form until Ganondorf was defeated, I think that says something.

[RyanNope]

Maybe what that implies is that Ganondorf used the power of the triforce to make midna an imp.

[Avenged]

Yeah I suppose it is possible, cuz I recall Zant saying the curse he placed on her by the magic of his god. But here is the winning quote that makes it more fact than theory to me that the Gerudo are the Twili. But still, we wont know for sure until a TP sequal or prequal releases.

Ganondorf : "Your people have long amused me, Midna. To defy the gods with such petty magic,
only to be cast aside... How very pathetic.
Pathetic as they were, though, THEY SERVED ME WELL. Their anguish was my
nourishment."

(Pretty much stating that Midnas people were also Ganondorfs followers, that being the Gerudo tribe. The Gerudo tribe has been stated to be an ancient tribe whom dwelled magic.)

Scene : [Ganon dissolves into twilight and uses Zelda's soulless body as his own]

Ganondorf : "Both of you, faithless fools who would dare to take up arms against the king of
light and shadow..." There you go...King of light and SHADOW.


MIDNA :
'Traitors, ha! You want to know why none would call you king? It was your eyes,
Zant.
All saw it, a lust for power burning in your pupils... Did you think we'd
forget our ancestors lost their king to such greed?"

Ok two key things here. The first and most obvious is "our ancestors lost their king to such greed"..comparing whoever this person was that attempted or may have in fact claimed the Triforce to Zant. This person more than likely being, Ganondorf. ALttP and OoT talk plenty of Ganondorfs greed for the sacred power known as the Triforce.

The second key thing here is...ancestors king. That could very well mean there wasnt a king of this tribe for quite some time since the last...my theory is this..'only one male Gerudo is born once every 100 years'. first King Gerudo being Ganondorf, but the second male Gerudo was Zant...he was seen as a King, but as Midna stated...he was a false idol.

Ok, the following quote, mainly towards the end pretty much says this. Zant was deinied such magic power that the King possesed,meaning he wasnt ever the true King of the Twilight. He believed he would be the next ruler of the tribe, but was denied and soon did he meet the true ruler known as Ganondorf.

Zant :
"You speak of magic? Still your tongue for a moment, whelp, and I will tell you
of both magic and the oppression of ages...
The people of our tribe...a tribe that mastered the arts of magic...were locked
away in this world like insects in a cage.
In the shadows we regressed, so much so that we soon knew neither anger nor
hatred...nor even the faintest bloom of desire.
And all of it was the fault of a useless, do-nothing royal family that had
resigned itself to this miserable half-existence!
I had served and endured in that depraved household for far too long, my
impudent princess.
And why, you ask? Because I believed I would be the next to rule our people!
THAT is why!
But would they acknowledge me as their king? No! And as such, I was denied the
magic powers befitting our ruler.
It was then, in the thrall of hatred and despair, that I turned my eyes to the
heavens...and found a god."

I would also like to point out that both Zant and Ganondorf always quote themselves saying something along the lines of helping or saving their people. Back when Ganondorf was the King of the Gerudo in OoT...he sought out for the triforce to not only rule Hyrule but too help the gerudo by giving them Hyrule itself pretty much...a selfish deed. Zant is doing the same...trying to take over Hyrule with the darkness of the twilight to give back the land. Heres another quote saying Ganondorf is the King of the Twilight.

Zant "This power is granted to me by my god! It is the magic of the King of Twilight,
and you WILL respect it!"

He says the power granted to him was from the magic of the King of Twilight (obviously being Ganondorf) Need I say more?

[RyanNope]

IF the gerudo are the twili then why were all of them locked up? why not just Ganondorf? This likely has alot to do with the split timeline theory.

[kris94]

I have asked myself the same question about that making a child thing

and, maybe they can get childrens whit other females,
it is another race so, who knows

[PrinceofDarkness]

There are a few mysterious I find to be quite odd with the Gerudo race. Apparently there is one male Gerudo every 100 years. So how exactly do they keep existing? Don't they need to have children? My guess is that means the Gerudo either head on over to town, find a man, and have a child. Or maybe, just that Gerudo male is the only father of all the Gerudo children. What if there is a female child that is born? There is so much that doesn't make sense about the Gerudo race.

This is the conclusion I came to with Ganon imprisoned there race probably went extinct cuz he wasn't there to keep it goin'. I bet the gerudo probably live a long time and when the next male is born the previous one jus takes it easy and has a good retirement.

[TheManInTheMoon]

I haven't read everything here so sorry if it was already posted, but
They say that Gerudos sometimes
come to Hyrule Castle Town to
look for boyfriends.and FSA shows that they atleast lasted until around ALttP, but they're said to be nomads at that time, so they may have left hyrule.

[Avenged]

I'd just like to point out a few more quotes...

Midna speaking of her ancient people :
"What do you think happened to the magic wielders who tried to rule the Sacred
Realm?
They were banished. They were chased across the sacred lands of Hyrule and
driven into another realm by the goddesses."

Sages speaking of Ganondorf :
"He was the leader of a band of thieves who invaded Hyrule in the hopes of
establishing dominion over the Sacred Realm.
He was known as a demon thief, an evil-magic wielder renowned for his
ruthlessness...
But he was blind...
In all of his fury and might, he was blind to any danger, and thus was exposed,
subdued, and brought to justice."

Gerudo = Twili.

[TheManInTheMoon]

The banishment of the Twili took place during the "Prolonged Wars" referenced by TP
These wars took place soon after knowledge of the SR became known
OoT takes place awhile after this knowledge is known (seeing as how people know that the ToT connects there)
OoT likely references this war as the "Fierce War"
Therefore the Gerudo couldn't have been banished as the Twili, they are still around during OoT.

...But before seeking it, you must
now bear witness to something...
and never forget it.
You must know that it was the will
of the goddesses that we lock away
the forbidden power...
When all was chaos, the goddesses
descended and gave order and life
to the world.
They granted power equally to all
who dwelt in the light, and then
returned to the heavens.
The lands where the goddesses
descended came to be known as
the Sacred Realm.
For ages, the people lived at ease,
content in mind and body...
But soon, word of the Sacred Realm
spread through Hyrule, and a great
battle ensued...
Among those living in the light,
interlopers who excelled at magic
appeared.
Wielding powerful sorcery, they
tried to establish dominion over
the Sacred Realm.
It was then that the goddesses
ordered us three light spirits to
intervene.
We sealed away the great magic
those individuals had mastered.
You know this magic...
It is the dark power you seek...
the Fused Shadow.

[Avenged]

Ok, but according to 'A Link to the Past', Ganondorf actually got his hands on the Triforce in the very early ages. Below are quotes from the Imprisoning War.

"Suspecting that Ganon’s power was based on the Triforce’s magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce."

"This mighty weapon became known as the blade of evil’s bane, or the Master Sword. It was so powerful that only one who was pure of heart and strong of body could wield it."

That states Ganondorf obtained the Triforce before the Master Sword was even forged.

"As the Seven Wise Men searched for a valiant person to take up the Master Sword, Ganon’s evil army swarmed from the tainted Golden Land into Hyrule and attacked the castle. The wise men and the Knights of Hyrule combined forces to wage war on this evil horde."

and...


"They say that Gerudos worship Ganondorf almost like a god."

-Gossip Stone
Ocarina of Time - This reminds me a certain Twili named Zant.

[zeypherlink]

"Suspecting that Ganon’s power was based on the Triforce’s magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce."

"This mighty weapon became known as the blade of evil’s bane, or the Master Sword. It was so powerful that only one who was pure of heart and strong of body could wield it."
That sounds like a major plot hole on Nintendo's part. It's basically saying they knew about Ganondorf so they made the Master Sword...but Ganondorf wasn't around for them to know about him.

...Made sense in my head...not sure if I worded it properly.

[TheManInTheMoon]

"Suspecting that Ganon’s power was based on the Triforce’s magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce."NoA misstranlation, the correctly translated version reads something like

"However, it could not be assumed that only a good person would get their hands on the Triforce.For that reason, the people of Hyrule were told by the gods to make something that would repulse any evil that may kidnap the Triforce: the blade of evil's bane.It was called the Master Sword, and it is said that only a true hero could use it."

As you can see, no mention of Ganon

the '92 alttp manual can't be trusted, NoA took many liberties with the translation

[Avenged]

I suppose since each Zelda game does have its regional differences. But as of now, all I have are theories, thats atleast until the next Zelda releases.

[TheManInTheMoon]

I suppose since each Zelda game does have its regional differences. But as of now, all I have are theories, thats atleast until the next Zelda releases.
Here's where I found that (http://www.zeldalegends.net/files/text/z3translation/z3_manual_story.html)

and here's a large collection of resources useful for theorizing (http://www.vgrc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2656)

[Avenged]

Nice collection of resources there, Im hoping to have a quite larger collection soon myself for ZC. Trust me, Im always reading and re-reading past articles, interviews, etc to find any extra facts that can connect theories. Like recently, I was reading on a few quotes and articles almost saying this...

Ocarina of Time > Majoras Mask > Twilight Princess > A Link to the Past > Links Awakening > The Wind Waker > Phantom Hourglass > The Legend of Zelda > The Adventure of Link...and Im still clueless on the Oracles. Yep, no split whatssoever. I dont fully believe this, although I do believe ALttP is after TP and is set in the same Hyrule.

[Shadow Goris]

I dont fully believe this, although I do believe ALttP is after TP and is set in the same Hyrule.

I agree that alttp is set in the same hyrule as TP because the master sword is in the ruin of the temple of time. Though there are some doubts...

[Mases]

I found a little tidbit on Telma as I was writing a character guide for Twilight Princess.

Telma seems to greatly resemble many of the Gerudo from previous games based on the color of her skin and other physical attributes. To a much lesser extent, Renado also has this type of physical attributes. (Although since Renado is a male, it's hard to believe that he could possibly be a Gerudo).

Perhaps portions of the Gerudo race simply integrated with the Hylian race of castle town. Which could explain why there are no Gerudo's in Twilight Princess (at least from their classic form).

[Avenged]

Mases, we already went over this in an earlier discussion here and I believe we came to the conclusion that she is hylian.

[Ganondorf11365]

There's a lot still to be discovered about the Gerudo.Most of it is pretty weird.But maybe some answers will be revealed in upcoming Zelda Games?

[DarkLink]

When it comes to the reproducing part, it's probable that they do that with Hylian men. What do you think they were gonna do with those carpenters? Hmm. ;)

[Avenged]

The carpenters wanted to join their band of thieves, but got imprisoned instead. As for reproducing plenty of hints are found in game. One for instance is Twinrova which is said to be Ganondorfs mother. Another is from the gossip stone that mentions Gerudo women sometimes come to the village to look for men.

[Twilight warrior]

The carpenters wanted to join their band of thieves, but got imprisoned instead. As for reproducing plenty of hints are found in game. One for instance is Twinrova which is said to be Ganondorfs mother. Another is from the gossip stone that mentions Gerudo women sometimes come to the village to look for men.Actually one of the guys in the castle town on OoT say that the Gerudos come to look for men. And I don't remember a gossip stone saying that. But I did think that Zauz did kinda look like Ganondorf but he also said that his tribe served the Ocean King so I don't think that Zauz has any relation with the Gerudos becuase the Gerudos (except in Four Swords Adventures) Have pretty much been kinda evil.

[Inflexus]

What if the gerudo male died out before the 100 years were up? The entire race would go extinct, right?

That would kill off the Gerudo race in no time, especially if Ganondorf failed.

[Mases]

Nope, not necessarily. It seems the Gerudo tribe isn't necessarily a pure breed. Meaning, the Gerudo women often times go to Hyrule Castle Town in search of men... assuming that the purpose of this is to make love and get pregnant to keep the race going.

Perhaps this could relate to why the Gerudo have slowly merged into Hylian society. If each generation of the Gerudo involve a mother being Gerudo and a father being Hylian, the race would slowly evolve into a mixed race.

Perhaps in Twilight Princess, and characters like Telma in particular, perhaps they are part Gerudo so to speak. With some of her ancestry being native Gerudo while the other half being Hylian.

[Inflexus]

Nope, not necessarily. It seems the Gerudo tribe isn't necessarily a pure breed. Meaning, the Gerudo women often times go to Hyrule Castle Town in search of men... assuming that the purpose of this is to make love and get pregnant to keep the race going.

Perhaps this could relate to why the Gerudo have slowly merged into Hylian society. If each generation of the Gerudo involve a mother being Gerudo and a father being Hylian, the race would slowly evolve into a mixed race.

Perhaps in Twilight Princess, and characters like Telma in particular, perhaps they are part Gerudo so to speak. With some of her ancestry being native Gerudo while the other half being Hylian.

TP had a rather large emphasis on the Gerudo being completely extinct though, and I thought the Gerudo heading into the castle town was only mentioned in Ocarina of Time, so it wouldn't really add up, would it?

Of course, I believe the games logically are not connected at all, so it would make sense if the exact definition of "gerudo" or "hylian" was mixed up between games.

Even so, people who are half of any one race tend to have that pointed out, like demi-gods or half-elves or something.

[Triforcekid]

I somehow think that the shiekah might be conected to gerudos because in
wind waker in forsaken fortress when you make it to the top there is a modified shiekah symbol http://Sheikah_TWW.jpg
at first i wasn't sure how i would make the conection but in ALttP Agahnim has a very similar eye symbol on his shirt http://www.zeldawiki.org/Eye_symbol I think that maby in the Zelda "world" that in the early times the shiekah may have been allies with the gerudos but the gerudos were eventually corrupted and betrayed the shiekah. As punishment they were probably banished and in anger tried to overthrow hyrule and were banished to the twilight realm for assisting Ganondorf.

gerudo=twili

P.S. please stop saying telma is a gerudo her red eyes obviously indicate she is a Shiekah descendant. Madame Fanadi is also a Shiekah I don't know how that applies tho



EDIT: Im sorry in that last post one of my links didn't work however in the 2nd link it has TWW skiekah symbol further down the page




One thing i forgot to mention is i can translate modern hylian (TP) and in the hidden village on of the signs says "welcome to old Kakariko" and impaz says she was named after the founder of the village (who i believe is Impa) she also had in her posetion the statue that brought back ilia's memory which had the sheikah eye on top. I believe the hidden village is kakariko village in OoT. This is a lot of stuff but my point is, in all we have the temple of time, a hidden village called old kakriko, and a descendant of a shiekah.
With all these things it can only meen that TP takes place in the same hyrule that is in ocarina of time before the great flood (WW)

i have one more question
i had never heard of the trident of power thing you were talking about if you fight the final boss in ALttP ganon has a trident is it somehow conected

[Blaine]

*cracks knuckles* Alrighty then, I read through this whole topic, and I'm itching to throw in some input.

I'll take care of the easiest thing first. The question of how Gerudo reproduce/survive throughout the years. The answer is pretty simple. As a few of you have pointed out, one of the Gossip Stones from OoT lays bare the fact the Gerudo often go to Hyrule to look for boyfriends. Thus, Gerudo usually mate with Hylians or "Humans." HOWEVER, they do not have half-breed children. I can't say why, but either by some magic in the Gerudo blood, or else just through a genetic trait, when a Gerudo has a child, the father's genes, at least most of them, are overridden by the Gerudo blood. Now, that same magic prevents males from being born except for every 100 years. Make sense?

Here I will address some of the arguments for the Gerudo being the Twili. First and foremost, the Twili were banished to the Twilight Realm long before Ganondorf. Not only is this evidenced by what Link is told regarding the Twili, but the fact that they had eventually adapted to the realm, and Ganondorf had not by the time he came upon Zant.

Thus, it's reasonable to assume to assume they were banished before the events of OoT (split time theory or not, it makes no difference). Aside from that, the Gerudo are not a people of magic. True, Ganondorf and Twinrova had vast magical prowess, but the average Gerudo showed no sign of these talents, whereas the "interlopers" were said to be more or less exclusively magical.

In reference to tagging the Gerudo as the thieves mentioned in the backstory to ALttP, Ganondorf killed those thieves. If they were Gerudo, I doubt he would have done so, since they would be his own people, and very loyal to him. Although I will say it is a tempting possibility that in OoT he killed some Gerudo companions before following Link into the Sacred Realm.

Lastly, for now, I will point out that Telma could not be a Gerudo, on account of her pointed ears. Neither could the man in Kakariko, since he does not have red hair. I've read in places that it is possible he could be of Sheikah descent, but that's just speculation.

I probably overlooked one or two arguments, but since I'm just coming into an 8 page topic, this will have to suffice for a start.

[blackice_cc]

Here I will address some of the arguments for the Gerudo being the Twili. First and foremost, the Twili were banished to the Twilight Realm long before Ganondorf. Not only is this evidenced by what Link is told regarding the Twili, but the fact that they had eventually adapted to the realm, and Ganondorf had not by the time he came upon Zant.

Wait a minute here. Couldn't Ganondorf have been banished long after the Gerudo were supposedly banished to the Twilight realm? We have proof that Ganondorf is immortal, so it's possible that Ganondorf went into hiding or something for quite a while after the Gerudo were banished, and was only captured when he tried to attack again maybe. Also, we have no proof that the Twili were already adapted to their new home by the time Ganondorf got there, because since Ganondorf had such power, he could probably retain his normal shape and complexion. And anyways, the only time we saw him in the Twilight realm was as a huge, weird, flaming head, or whatever you call that.

[Blaine]

Right. What I meant by him not adapting was that all he could thus far conjur himself up as was a big flame head thing. Whereas the Twili had had a plenty long time to adjust, and take proper shape in the Twilight Realm.

And yes, while it is possible that 100 years could be enough time for the Gerudo to be banished and then adapt, in looking at the dialogue from the light serpent, or really anywhere, it suggests that the Twili had been there for an even greater amount of time.

There's also the fact that the Gerudo can't breed all by themselves, so they would have died out pretty quick isolated in the Twilight Realm, unless you think that there people live for longer/forever. But even then, it doesn't explain how Zant, or any other male Twili would have come into being, and it's suggested that there have been other males.

To the argument of Ganondorf being called the King of Twilight, I'm pretty sure Zant was the only one who called him that. And it's reasonable to assume he would call him the King of anything, simply because he had incredible power, and the ability to take over the Twilight Realm, along with Hyrule. I very much doubt Zant knew much of anything about Ganondorf, aside from the fact he had immense power, so calling him the King of Twilight out of some natural right seems unlikely.

[Swiftblade]

Wait a minute here. Couldn't Ganondorf have been banished long after the Gerudo were supposedly banished to the Twilight realm?

That scene where they stab him and send him to the Twilight Realm, I always thought that took place in the timeline where Link was sent back in time by Zelda. After him and Zelda informed everyone of Ganon's plans.

[blackice_cc]

That scene where they stab him and send him to the Twilight Realm, I always thought that took place in the timeline where Link was sent back in time by Zelda. After him and Zelda informed everyone of Ganon's plans.

Yeah, but the question is, how long did it take them to find Ganondorf? It could have taken years, because he was a magic user, and could have defeated most people sent to search for him.

[Mike Pothier]

The comments Ganondorf makes at the end of Twilight Princess, calling the Twili "pathetic" seemed to indicate strongly to me that he was not related to them in any way. He seemed aware of their existence, but only in passing until he was banished to the same place.

Keep in mind, also, that the Sages had no knowledge of Ganon's possession of the Triforce of Power, even shocked by it. That would be a strange reaction if his imprisonment took place long after OoT, when Zelda and Link's possession of the other pieces would be known.

[Chris]

Mases, you raise a very good point. How do the Gerudo reproduce? Though, they may have be granted eternal life by ganondorf. That explains why link doesn't kill them when he slashes them in Majora's Mask.

[waldo12]

personally i have a hard time believing that gerudo and twili are the same now sure there are some connections but there gerudo are not magical only ganon and the witches, plus in the twili zone there are many guy twili not just woman. and the gerudo if u all remember the is only one gerudo every 100 years plus in tp none of the twili new about him im pretty sure they would.

[Skull_Kid]

They have intercourse with other races, such as the Hylians, it's the only explanation

[Zemen125]

the gerudo women have sex with men from the nearby towns. they get pregnant and have children. every one hundred years they have a male who leads them. i dont understand why people find that so difficult to believe. of course that would never happen in real life but its a videogame.

as for the twili being the Gerudo, even though it is not bluntly said, it is very possible. lots of evidence points straight to that idea.

the only other explanation is that somewhere along the way the Gerudo died out and the reason Zant has the Gerudo symbol on his armor is because he serves a Gerudo (Ganondorf).

also, the Midna does not really look like a Gerudo so whoever said that is kind of wrong. thats a big stretch to say that Midna looks like a Gerudo..

the only problem with the twili being Gerudo theory is that the Gerudo hated Ganondorf so why would they be banished with him if they didnt really worship or follow him?

[Diligo]

I have read this up and down, ALL the comments. I do believe that the Gerudo are in fact the Twili. To much evidence is pointed towards that. I'm sure Nintendo made it clear, but as us Zelda fans are we analyze to much based off of past links. Mind you every Zelda game is linked in some way but have the major individuality. There are plenty of loops holes I assure you, if Nintendo tried to base all the games off of each other then that would constrict their creativity. They said it themselves, also the time line has proved to be flawed.
Enough about that lets shed some light on the subject, Avenged did an awesome job in doing so I couldn't have done better myself.
First off as many have pointed out, the Gerudo don't rely on one male alone to sustain their whole race. The Gossip Stone and several NPC's have made that clear that they look for boyfriends. As we all know the Gerudo don't like men so I assume they wouldn't want to build a life commitment with one. In other words USE them and abuse them, for them that's all they're worth.
As someone stated and a good point at that about the male to female ratio in the twili realm. Well as said good point, but as another said this event takes 100's of years prior giving ample opportunity for many or so men to be born. But there are many ways of figuring this out, or different theories to plug this in. One could have been that some of the Gerudo were pregnant when they entered, or there could have very well have been a race there before then and the emerged with them. Or there could have been a mix among the race as they were banished. All can easily fit in nicely and be plausible but we may not know.
To go with these maternal theories with the Gerudo giving birth, and what not. Here is food for thought. There is a rumor based off of what was said in OOT. About Malon's mom when you wear the Gerudo mask in front of Talon. He was more than delighted to say the mask resembled his wife. It could have mean one of many things, the red hair, it was a female mask and he misses his wife, or he said that and quickly regretted it trying to take it back due to the fact no one in Hyrule like the Gerudo's and he didn't want anyone to know he was tied to a dangerous thief (I'm sure plenty of men were). The point I'm trying to make is that if this theory is true than Gerudo's didn't give birth to all females or look alikes at that. They probably had a strict code in which stated rules and regulations in how a Gerudo should be part of the tribe, assuming appearance being on of them.
Also another thing I want to add is no one stated when the banishment actually took place. We know it was a long time ago, we don't know when. Gerudo could have been banished right before or after Ganondorf was supposedly executed. When you watch the execution clip. Noticed how everything is in place the mirror is up and the giant rock. The Mirror is a powerful artifact something that shouldn't be out in the opening like.
Also think about it the Gerudo had a thing with mirrors. In the spirit temple the whole thing was riddled with mirrors. In fact that is the only way to get through the temple is to use a mirror including your sheild.
Besides all that and the other little tidbits that were added with the other comments. Let's look at some other things, the fact that the Arbitor's Grounds could very well be the Spirit Temple due to the sand and the lady with the snake plastered everywhere.

Here is something else I would like to add, some of you said about the loyalty the Gerudo's had with Ganondorf when in fact they had a huge loyalty, with the exception of Nabooru. Not only that but a lot of them were often brainwashed but Ganondorf, Kotume and Kotake. As well it was the only army Ganondorf had to his disposal, that and the fact this takes place after OOT which OOT is the beginning of the time line.
Mind you, Midna might as well be a Gerudo she does in fact resemble one. The the eyes, the long thin neck, slender waist, orange hair, aquiline nose, though it may not protruded as the Gerudo depicted in OOT did. Put into consideration that the character design has changed in the transition of TP.
And to what Ganondorf said to Midna about "Her People" think about it you can no longer associate yourself with something your no longer tied to. My Great, great, grandfather was from Germany, that doesn't make me German now does it. ;)

[Zemen125]

My Great, great, grandfather was from Germany, that doesn't make me German now does it. ;)

if you are blood related to him then yes you are german, just not 100 percent german so that was kind of a dumb question.

[zeldusfanaticus]

the gerudo disapear after ganon's imprisonment. the race probably got pushed out of hyrule because of no leader and the whole guilt by association

[Zemen125]

i would also like to state that Twilight Princess is in the child timeline which means that none of Ganondorfs actions in OoT happened because they stoppped him before he could do anything. based on that, the Gerudo never got involved because Ganondorf never did anything so in order for this theory to be correct, there would have to be some story inbetween OoT and Twilight Princess that would explain why the Gerudos were banished, because they never do anything bad in the child timeline that we know of.

[Diligo]

if you are blood related to him then yes you are german, just not 100 percent german so that was kind of a dumb question.

No, no it doesn't I'm not German. You have to put in the consideration of my other sides of the family, plus a whole entire generation in between. I am something completely different, I'm American, I'm a Hinze 57. Just like if the Gerudo are the Twili. That and it's been 100 or more years there not closely blood related not even close maybe descendants but that would have been 100's of years. They are a completely different race now, is what I was implying.

i would also like to state that Twilight Princess is in the child timeline which means that none of Ganondorfs actions in OoT happened because they stoppped him before he could do anything. based on that, the Gerudo never got involved because Ganondorf never did anything so in order for this theory to be correct, there would have to be some story inbetween OoT and Twilight Princess that would explain why the Gerudos were banished, because they never do anything bad in the child timeline that we know of.

I'm well aware of that but despite there where part of his army. Avenged better explains it in previous comments. One bad crops spoils it all, Hyrule really never liked the Gerudos so to do away with one then to all.
What your saying is that NONE of them did anything yet, which means they wouldn't/shouldn't be banished, right? But to say that would mean they has no right to execute Ganondorf and they did. They were well aware what was to happen so I'm sure they did away with all, however you believe they did it, as you stated. Your statement contradicts over the other.
I'm sure they got rid of both one way or the other how ever you choose to believe.

the gerudo disapear after ganon's imprisonment. the race probably got pushed out of hyrule because of no leader and the whole guilt by association

Plausable, but to many coincidences and evidence leaves me to believe otherwise.

[Zemen125]

they DID have a right to execute Ganondorf though. if you remember, he had already met the Gorons, Zoras, and Deku Tree to try and take there respective gems by force before he even went to the castle to "pledge his allegiance" to the king. therefor, if Link goes back in time and tells the king of Ganondorfs plans, all the king has to do is ask the Goron and Zoras (but not the tree cus hes dead) if Ganondorf really threatened them and then they would know Links story is true. so they definitely had a reason to condemn Ganondorf, but they had no reason to condemn his whole race. there was nothing in any of the games that said Hylians didnt like the Gerudo. sure they are a bunch of thieves, but as seen in OoT, they are not evil like Ganondorf. and also, if the Gerudo were very loyal to Ganondorf, and if they were his army, then they would know of his plans and im sure he would tell them everything, which means they would know about Link so why wouldnt they just kill Link on the spot when he is Gerudo Valley and why do they allow Link to join their tribe? its because they really arent loyal to Ganondorf and arent evil like him. he wants ultimate power and they just want to be thieves. Ganondorfs army is all of the monsters in the world. they are HIS monsters hence they are HIS army. based on all of these FACTS, it appears more likely that the Gerudo are not the twilight.

im not saying they arent the twilight but no one has a good enough reason as to why they are. it would make sense but they would need to make a game inbetween OoT and TP to make it MUCH more clear than the previous reasons shown because i just abolished those reasons stated before.

[Diligo]

they DID have a right to execute Ganondorf though. if you remember, he had already met the Gorons, Zoras, and Deku Tree to try and take there respective gems by force before he even went to the castle to "pledge his allegiance" to the king. therefor, if Link goes back in time and tells the king of Ganondorfs plans, all the king has to do is ask the Goron and Zoras (but not the tree cus hes dead) if Ganondorf really threatened them and then they would know Links story is true. so they definitely had a reason to condemn Ganondorf, but they had no reason to condemn his whole race. there was nothing in any of the games that said Hylians didnt like the Gerudo. sure they are a bunch of thieves, but as seen in OoT, they are not evil like Ganondorf. and also, if the Gerudo were very loyal to Ganondorf, and if they were his army, then they would know of his plans and im sure he would tell them everything, which means they would know about Link so why wouldnt they just kill Link on the spot when he is Gerudo Valley and why do they allow Link to join their tribe? its because they really arent loyal to Ganondorf and arent evil like him. he wants ultimate power and they just want to be thieves. Ganondorfs army is all of the monsters in the world. they are HIS monsters hence they are HIS army. based on all of these FACTS, it appears more likely that the Gerudo are not the twilight.

im not saying they arent the twilight but no one has a good enough reason as to why they are. it would make sense but they would need to make a game inbetween OoT and TP to make it MUCH more clear than the previous reasons shown because i just abolished those reasons stated before.

Have you played WW?
It says that they were oppressed and banished to the Desert where they suffered. With no food, water, the scorching temperature during the day, the freezing nights, and the constant winds which Ganondorf referred to bringing death. They had to steal for sustenance to live. Hyrulians put them there because feared them. They came over from somewhere, if I read correctly (from another source). They helped Hyrule in a War before Ganondorf, Link, Zelda, or anyone. In a time period before OOT, a game hasn't been made yet but I'm sure there will be. But any who they feared them so they cast them into the desert. Where they became thieves and the dirge of Hyrule, no one liked them.
I'm sure if they wanted to rid of them they would find away. If Ganondorf being a reason I'm sure they would go with it. I mean he is their King, the Great Ganondorf, where they sacrifice lives, and worship him as God.

But your right they do need more evidence, as stated before we as Zelda fans tend over analyze things. We are only going to make things more complicated, unless they throw something out their less subliminal and more tangible. Hopefully they might add something to this upcoming game to help with one of our theories (or cause us to make more), it should gladly put this in the grave once and for all. ^^

[Alder Dragon]

An interesting thing to point out is that the geldman from LttP (the sand-guys in the desert near the 2nd castle) were called (pretty much) gerudo-men in the Japanese version. See the connection?

[Diligo]

An interesting thing to point out is that the geldman from LttP (the sand-guys in the desert near the 2nd castle) were called (pretty much) gerudo-men in the Japanese version. See the connection?

So your saying the Gerudo turned into sand creatures?
I think there maybe an evolving niche but I don't think it's with the actual Gerudos. There have been creatures in the desert for a long time and assuming slowly but surely finding their niche or evolving in other words. If not evolving they found their home there.
The sand worm things in TP had the same name or similar, I don't think the Gerudos are sand worms.
Personally I don't even think they gained their title till after their banishment to the desert.

[Alder Dragon]

So your saying the Gerudo turned into sand creatures?
I think there maybe an evolving niche but I don't think it's with the actual Gerudos. There have been creatures in the desert for a long time and assuming slowly but surely finding their niche or evolving in other words. If not evolving they found their home there.
The sand worm things in TP had the same name or similar, I don't think the Gerudos are sand worms.
Personally I don't even think they gained their title till after their banishment to the desert.

Oh no, I'm not implying that :P.

I'm just pointing out the interesting fact that the term "gerudo" has been used to describe these desert creatures, let alone far back in 1991 in LttP.

[Diligo]

Oh no, I'm not implying that :P.

I'm just pointing out the interesting fact that the term "gerudo" has been used to describe these desert creatures, let alone far back in 1991 in LttP.

Oh yeah! Well Nintendo likes to recycle.
:lol:

[Avenged]

Hmm, cool this thread is still alive. I still stick by my original theory. I suggest anyone who hasnt read through it, should.

[Zemen125]

Have you played WW?
It says that they were oppressed and banished to the Desert where they suffered. With no food, water, the scorching temperature during the day, the freezing nights, and the constant winds which Ganondorf referred to bringing death. They had to steal for sustenance to live. Hyrulians put them there because feared them. They came over from somewhere, if I read correctly (from another source). They helped Hyrule in a War before Ganondorf, Link, Zelda, or anyone. In a time period before OOT, a game hasn't been made yet but I'm sure there will be. But any who they feared them so they cast them into the desert. Where they became thieves and the dirge of Hyrule, no one liked them.
I'm sure if they wanted to rid of them they would find away. If Ganondorf being a reason I'm sure they would go with it. I mean he is their King, the Great Ganondorf, where they sacrifice lives, and worship him as God.

But your right they do need more evidence, as stated before we as Zelda fans tend over analyze things. We are only going to make things more complicated, unless they throw something out their less subliminal and more tangible. Hopefully they might add something to this upcoming game to help with one of our theories (or cause us to make more), it should gladly put this in the grave once and for all. ^^


just because they feared the Gerudo doesnt mean they would go to such extreme lengths to banish a race that truly didnt deserve it, and you said that the Gerudo helped Hyrule, so why would Hyrule fear people and banish people that have helped them before. if they fear them then i understand banishing them to further land, but it would be SUPER retarded to banish them to a different demension just out of fear. that would make the royal family seem very iffy and i think the point of the royal family is that they are kind rulers and everyone loves them.

[Diligo]

just because they feared the Gerudo doesnt mean they would go to such extreme lengths to banish a race that truly didnt deserve it, and you said that the Gerudo helped Hyrule, so why would Hyrule fear people and banish people that have helped them before. if they fear them then i understand banishing them to further land, but it would be SUPER retarded to banish them to a different demension just out of fear. that would make the royal family seem very iffy and i think the point of the royal family is that they are kind rulers and everyone loves them.

It may seem "SUPER RETARDED"...
But hey, they did it to the Sheikah too (back stabbed them). The Gerudo are powerful and more skilled than Hylians. I'm sure with no reason to banish them to a further land, giving a reason say their king whom went bat s**t crazy, as well as whom they followed, gives them what they find as an explicit reason for banishment or sentence to death (which those who was sentenced to death were banished into the Twilight realm, excluding Ganondorf due unforeseen events) I'm sure they would go with it.
Gerudo and the Twili often exclaim the Royal family as lazy, incompetent, do-nothings. Let's face it not everyone loved them and they didn't love everyone. The royal family has done it's share to plenty out of fear WW is a perfect example. He flooded the old kingdom to keep Ganondorf from ever trying to take it over again, and previous to that he had it flooded due to the threat Ganondorf had already put on it. There could have been many ways to handle that and the Royal didn't see it that way. They do tons of unnecessary things out of fear, that's how they work.
Plus I figured you already read this but I will bring it up again, in the game the Sages and Auru stated the Ganondorf lead a group of thieves into Hyrule to dominate over the Sacred Realm those who followed Ganondorf were sentenced to death, and those sentenced to death were banished to another Realm.

[Zemen125]

It may seem "SUPER RETARDED"...
But hey, they did it to the Sheikah too (back stabbed them). The Gerudo are powerful and more skilled than Hylians. I'm sure with no reason to banish them to a further land, giving a reason say their king whom went bat s**t crazy, as well as whom they followed, gives them what they find as an explicit reason for banishment or sentence to death (which those who was sentenced to death were banished into the Twilight realm, excluding Ganondorf due unforeseen events) I'm sure they would go with it.
Gerudo and the Twili often exclaim the Royal family as lazy, incompetent, do-nothings. Let's face it not everyone loved them and they didn't love everyone. The royal family has done it's share to plenty out of fear WW is a perfect example. He flooded the old kingdom to keep Ganondorf from ever trying to take it over again, and previous to that he had it flooded due to the threat Ganondorf had already put on it. There could have been many ways to handle that and the Royal didn't see it that way. They do tons of unnecessary things out of fear, that's how they work.
Plus I figured you already read this but I will bring it up again, in the game the Sages and Auru stated the Ganondorf lead a group of thieves into Hyrule to dominate over the Sacred Realm those who followed Ganondorf were sentenced to death, and those sentenced to death were banished to another Realm.

thats all good and well except the royal family didnt flood hyrule to stop ganondorf, the godesses did. and as i said before, TP is on the child timeline which means that the events of OoT never really happened in that timeline which means that they captured ganondorf because Link told them his adventure and part of his adventure consists of a Gerudo who HATES ganondorf helping Link get power to defeat him.

[Diligo]

thats all good and well except the royal family didnt flood hyrule to stop ganondorf, the godesses did. and as i said before, TP is on the child timeline which means that the events of OoT never really happened in that timeline which means that they captured ganondorf because Link told them his adventure and part of his adventure consists of a Gerudo who HATES ganondorf helping Link get power to defeat him.

Your pretty much stating the same thing over. Besides I'm not going to argue with what the game said. It stated it clearly if everyone else doesn't want to believe it that's fine with me.
Your right, the goddesses did cause the flooding but who was the one who called to the goddesses to do in the first place, twice? Which was as well stated in the game.
Besides Nabooru being the only one who detested him, the rest worshiped him as a god. As you said yourself, this consists on the child time line so as far as Link helping Nabooru goes, it never happened. Also keep in mind she is unimportant because the events that were supposed to happened got thwarted, the sages never awoken in the bodies of the characters. They came to be as spirit like beings. She was never awoken as a sage so she remained unimportant.
For all you know, and this is just pulling something out of the air, Nabooru could be the descendant of Midna, or Telma (I think Telma is a Hyrulian) because Midna detested Ganondorf as well. But no evidence stands behind it as a fact, so it a shaky theory.
What I'm trying to imply, that theory may be total fanfic, I don't know. But you can conclude a theory by how one character feels with no evidence to stand behind it.

[Zemen125]

Your pretty much stating the same thing over. Besides I'm not going to argue with what the game said. It stated it clearly if everyone else doesn't want to believe it that's fine with me.
Your right, the goddesses did cause the flooding but who was the one who called to the goddesses to do in the first place, twice? Which was as well stated in the game.
Besides Nabooru being the only one who detested him, the rest worshiped him as a god. As you said yourself, this consists on the child time line so as far as Link helping Nabooru goes, it never happened. Also keep in mind she is unimportant because the events that were supposed to happened got thwarted, the sages never awoken in the bodies of the characters. They came to be as spirit like beings. She was never awoken as a sage so she remained unimportant.
For all you know, and this is just pulling something out of the air, Nabooru could be the descendant of Midna, or Telma (I think Telma is a Hyrulian) because Midna detested Ganondorf as well. But no evidence stands behind it as a fact, so it a shaky theory.
What I'm trying to imply, that theory may be total fanfic, I don't know. But you can conclude a theory by how one character feels with no evidence to stand behind it.

just because the events of OoT never took place in the timeline theory doesnt change how nabooru would feel about Ganondorf and my point still remains that the Gerudo only attacked Link in the game to see if he was worthy to be apart of them. i have absolutely no relocollection of any of them saying how much they loved Ganondorf so give me some ingame proof of any of them saying that with a video to go with it and i will stop repeating myself, because you are saying i have no solid backup but neither do you. everything in this is just a theory. someone set up a theory and you cant get upset when someone tries to knock it down. whether or not the Hylians asked the godesses to flood Hyrule doesnt matter. obviously the godesses thought it was necessary and im sure they wouldnt be as "childish" to just flood the world because the hylians are scared. the royal family was scared because Ganondorf had already tried to take over their land, so when he returns, obviously they are gonna do what they can to stop him. the Gerudo never did this, infact they helped the Hylians so i think that absolutely no theory can really be made until a game comes along and clearly explains this so stop getting your panties in a bunch.

[Diligo]

just because the events of OoT never took place in the timeline theory doesnt change how nabooru would feel about Ganondorf and my point still remains that the Gerudo only attacked Link in the game to see if he was worthy to be apart of them. i have absolutely no relocollection of any of them saying how much they loved Ganondorf so give me some ingame proof of any of them saying that with a video to go with it and i will stop repeating myself, because you are saying i have no solid backup but neither do you. everything in this is just a theory. someone set up a theory and you cant get upset when someone tries to knock it down. whether or not the Hylians asked the godesses to flood Hyrule doesnt matter. obviously the godesses thought it was necessary and im sure they wouldnt be as "childish" to just flood the world because the hylians are scared. the royal family was scared because Ganondorf had already tried to take over their land, so when he returns, obviously they are gonna do what they can to stop him. the Gerudo never did this, infact they helped the Hylians so i think that absolutely no theory can really be made until a game comes along and clearly explains this so stop getting your panties in a bunch.

My commentary was meant to stay neutral I haven't portrayed any since of emotion at this, whole time I have been rather happy and have enjoyed this healthy debate. You and I have kept it pretty clean and I do appreciate that ^^.
Any how at the matter at hand, so yeah Nabooru doesn't like Ganondorf, but she as single person doesn't make up a whole tribe. They attacked Link because he was a man and they did the same to the carpenters. Had nothing to do with help I think that is the last thing they wanted to do.
As for videos to my evidence I'm not sure I can provided but I can provide some in game quotes or close to in game as I'm going to get:

"They say that Gerudos worship Ganondorf almost like a god." -Gossip Stone in Dodongo’s Cavern.

"...the great Ganondorf... King of the Gerudo Thieves." -leader of the Gerudo Fortress

"...our laws say that lone male Gerudo must become King of the Gerudo..." -Nabooru

"He came on his own to offer himself as a sacrifice to the great Ganondorf..." -Twinrova

So yes, indeed, Ganondorf is the King of the Gerudo; and they do worship him as a god, and maybe even offer sacrifices to him.

As far as helping Link this doesn't seem likely:

"...they locked us up like this just because we're men!" -Ichiro

"I used to think that all men, besides the great Ganondorf, were useless..." -leader of the Gerudo fortress.

So, they worship their king, respect each other according to rank and ability, and hate pretty much hate everyone else. (Some of this quoted from a good friend of mine on a similar forum)
As for the video goes I'm sure there is one but you can just play OOT, ;) .

I know that this is all theory, but you have to have something sturdy to either keep a theory alive or to disprove one. I would never stick to this theory if I didn't have some sort of solid proof. I believe you do to, you have been awesome at trying to find ways of disproving my theory and looking for evidence, so I at no means did I mean to bash you in any way. I guess you could say I'm giving you tips, if you really want to put it that way.

As for the flood thing, I'm sure there are many ways to keep a fiend from taking your kingdom. I can truly understand the first flood, but when the King of Red Lions touched the Triforce I'm sure he could have wished for something a little less drastic. Which leaves me to believe it was out of fear seeing how they have done just as bad or less in the past because of that same reason, fear.

Yes, the Gerudo's did in fact help them in the beginning but Hyrule betrayed them, if I'm correct I think it also was stated in either OoX (oracles of Ages/Seasons, one of them) or four swords.

I agree, I have before, and I still do. But right now everyone is going by what little evidence we have, most of it being subliminal. Besides to be truthfully honest I don't think we will ever put this in the grave. Even when this next Zelda comes out and gives/doesn't give any evidence people will still debate this. You would be surprised as to what solved answers still go debated. Now for me if something came up other wise then I wouldn't bother. But these thread thrive based on the opposite and if I stop doesn't mean someone else will.
As stated before I have remained calm this whole time. My commentary was meant to be read neutrally, I don't think it is I who is getting upset ;)

[Midna666]

I don't think that the Twili are the Gerudo.
In TP Ganon called the Twili pathetic
We see in WW,that Ganon kind of cared about his people.
We see that when he talks about there suffering.
Now if the Twili and the Gerudo are the same,would Ganon call his own people pathetic?

[Kitsu]

Perhaps he called his people pathetic for the metamorphosis they under went, and perhaps becoming a weaker race. Therefore he calls them pathetic because he is angry at what they become.

Just a thought...

[Avenged]

I don't think that the Twili are the Gerudo.
In TP Ganon called the Twili pathetic
We see in WW,that Ganon kind of cared about his people.
We see that when he talks about there suffering.
Now if the Twili and the Gerudo are the same,would Ganon call his own people pathetic?

Yes and also called their magic old and outdated and whatnot, due to him having the Triforce of Power. His race pretty much turned against him at the end of OoT.

[Midna666]

Yes and also called their magic old and outdated and whatnot, due to him having the Triforce of Power. His race pretty much turned against him at the end of OoT.

But TP takes place in the child time.
So the Gerudo turned against him in both timeline.

[Zemen125]

My commentary was meant to stay neutral I haven't portrayed any since of emotion at this, whole time I have been rather happy and have enjoyed this healthy debate. You and I have kept it pretty clean and I do appreciate that ^^.
Any how at the matter at hand, so yeah Nabooru doesn't like Ganondorf, but she as single person doesn't make up a whole tribe. They attacked Link because he was a man and they did the same to the carpenters. Had nothing to do with help I think that is the last thing they wanted to do.
As for videos to my evidence I'm not sure I can provided but I can provide some in game quotes or close to in game as I'm going to get:

"They say that Gerudos worship Ganondorf almost like a god." -Gossip Stone in Dodongo’s Cavern.

"...the great Ganondorf... King of the Gerudo Thieves." -leader of the Gerudo Fortress

"...our laws say that lone male Gerudo must become King of the Gerudo..." -Nabooru

"He came on his own to offer himself as a sacrifice to the great Ganondorf..." -Twinrova

So yes, indeed, Ganondorf is the King of the Gerudo; and they do worship him as a god, and maybe even offer sacrifices to him.

As far as helping Link this doesn't seem likely:

"...they locked us up like this just because we're men!" -Ichiro

"I used to think that all men, besides the great Ganondorf, were useless..." -leader of the Gerudo fortress.

So, they worship their king, respect each other according to rank and ability, and hate pretty much hate everyone else. (Some of this quoted from a good friend of mine on a similar forum)
As for the video goes I'm sure there is one but you can just play OOT, ;) .

I know that this is all theory, but you have to have something sturdy to either keep a theory alive or to disprove one. I would never stick to this theory if I didn't have some sort of solid proof. I believe you do to, you have been awesome at trying to find ways of disproving my theory and looking for evidence, so I at no means did I mean to bash you in any way. I guess you could say I'm giving you tips, if you really want to put it that way.

As for the flood thing, I'm sure there are many ways to keep a fiend from taking your kingdom. I can truly understand the first flood, but when the King of Red Lions touched the Triforce I'm sure he could have wished for something a little less drastic. Which leaves me to believe it was out of fear seeing how they have done just as bad or less in the past because of that same reason, fear.

Yes, the Gerudo's did in fact help them in the beginning but Hyrule betrayed them, if I'm correct I think it also was stated in either OoX (oracles of Ages/Seasons, one of them) or four swords.

I agree, I have before, and I still do. But right now everyone is going by what little evidence we have, most of it being subliminal. Besides to be truthfully honest I don't think we will ever put this in the grave. Even when this next Zelda comes out and gives/doesn't give any evidence people will still debate this. You would be surprised as to what solved answers still go debated. Now for me if something came up other wise then I wouldn't bother. But these thread thrive based on the opposite and if I stop doesn't mean someone else will.
As stated before I have remained calm this whole time. My commentary was meant to be read neutrally, I don't think it is I who is getting upset ;)

haha sorry i didnt mean to get upset in my last post. i was actually working on a paper and got stressed so i took a break and checked the forums and thats what came out. its impossible to tell what emotion someone has when writing something so sometimes things can be misread, but i do agree this is a good debate on both ends and i will admit there is more evidence for your theory but i like playing devils advocate, and with that in mind time to try and break you down once again! :D

i understand that the Gerudo attacked Link for being a man, but eventually they do trust him, like him, accept him and allow him to "be" one of them which is why my suspiciouns are raised. if they worship ganondorf, and if he is their ruler then wouldnt they know who his enemy is? Ganondorf knows that Link is trying to stop him so dont you think he would tell his people to look out for the ONLY teenager wearing a green skirt and a green hat? i feel like it would make no sense for them to not know who Link is and just kill him on the spot. they only attacked him because he was a man, not because he was Ganondorfs enemy, and they eventually become friends with Link. this IS the case, so why would they be friends with their "god's" worst enemy? thats like christians deciding to let the devil be friends with them...

im not religious that was just the best analogy i could come up with. it just makes no sense. nabooru becomes Links friend and consequently so do the rest of the Gerudo, besides for Ganondorf of course. you can walk amongst them and talk to them and none of them say they love ganondorf nor do any of them say they want to kill Link. Nabooru knows what Link is trying to do, she knows who he is, she knows that he is Ganondorfs enemy which would lead me to believe that the other Gerudo know this as well, but they only try to kill him because of his gender, not his association to Ganondorf. no offense but it really doesnt seem like you have gotten that point of my argument as this is like the third or fourth time ive said it.

[Diligo]

haha sorry i didnt mean to get upset in my last post. i was actually working on a paper and got stressed so i took a break and checked the forums and thats what came out. its impossible to tell what emotion someone has when writing something so sometimes things can be misread, but i do agree this is a good debate on both ends and i will admit there is more evidence for your theory but i like playing devils advocate, and with that in mind time to try and break you down once again! :D

i understand that the Gerudo attacked Link for being a man, but eventually they do trust him, like him, accept him and allow him to "be" one of them which is why my suspiciouns are raised. if they worship ganondorf, and if he is their ruler then wouldnt they know who his enemy is? Ganondorf knows that Link is trying to stop him so dont you think he would tell his people to look out for the ONLY teenager wearing a green skirt and a green hat? i feel like it would make no sense for them to not know who Link is and just kill him on the spot. they only attacked him because he was a man, not because he was Ganondorfs enemy, and they eventually become friends with Link. this IS the case, so why would they be friends with their "god's" worst enemy? thats like christians deciding to let the devil be friends with them...

im not religious that was just the best analogy i could come up with. it just makes no sense. nabooru becomes Links friend and consequently so do the rest of the Gerudo, besides for Ganondorf of course. you can walk amongst them and talk to them and none of them say they love ganondorf nor do any of them say they want to kill Link. Nabooru knows what Link is trying to do, she knows who he is, she knows that he is Ganondorfs enemy which would lead me to believe that the other Gerudo know this as well, but they only try to kill him because of his gender, not his association to Ganondorf. no offense but it really doesnt seem like you have gotten that point of my argument as this is like the third or fourth time ive said it.

LOL I agree, school is so taxing. Well personally I don't know about school but the military isn't a walk in the park. To be honest, you very correct. If a statement isn't written properly, it could so signs of conveying emotion. Especially in a debate it could be read as very aggravated. I'm no typist or even half of what is considered a writer. So I'm sure most if not all my statements aren't read friendly.
You don't have to "pass the dessert" to me. ;)
You're doing an awesome job, even if I present all the evidence in the world and all the quotes in the game to back me up, you still have managed to find a flaw. "Even the smallest pebble can defeat a giant."
I think in both cases we both are, and I'm not going down without a fight! :cool:

Hmm I don't think everyone knew who he was, at least not till he proved himself. Nabooru didn't seem to know him until she awoke as a Sage. As a kid to an adult know one recognized him or knew who he was. Ganondorf how ever did and your right, he tried to kill him as a baby that's how the whole thing started. But Ganondorf might have not cared at that point because by then he was living large in the castle. In the game Ganondorf is youthful and kinda naive. So he was probably like I kill him with the next monster or I'll do it myself. You know those prideful types, they think they are invincible, it most cases he is.
They excepted him because in the game, even though they didn't convey it very well, you proved to be a asset setting the carpenters free with your awesome ninja thief skills, or whatever you call it. They would probably like someone who can best them to use them and reap the benefits. That and he's quite the looker, I'm sure he attractive to them as well. I'm a girl and I'm a sucker for hot dudes (I'm not a fan girl so there is no need for worry), and if they can help me get rich I'm sure I would like that too! I'm sure if he asked they would do tricks for him. XD
Despite how controversial that is (I don't really care), that is probably the best analogy for it, in fact it's perfect. But whether it be christian or an hierarchy-monarchy religion whatever, it is possible to be deceived.

Hmmm, I dunno about love but they are always saying "The Great Ganondorf!" and "Ganondorf this" and "Ganondorf that" which leaves me to believe that they have some sort of infatuation with him. Besides Link just saves the carpenters at their place, if he did do something that was against their lord, I'm sure they would be on him like ugly on a gorilla or white on rice. I'm sure they have no idea what goes on at the Spirit temple, that's Ganondorf's hangout. I'm sure none of them are allowed to be there, knowing Nabooru's character she probably over stepped her boundaries, which upset Twinrova in fact. They told Link she was there if he wanted to talk to her, seeing how he is a "newcomer", they probably had no idea about his or her plans. I'm sure if Ganondorf knew Link was going to attack his home, which he hated living there anyway, he would have informed them. Twinrova wouldn't be the only one to fight him.

By the way, your not repeating yourself. You did twice but you were only trying to get the message across and get me to read and understand what you were talking about. That was probably rude of me (actually it was) to call it out. My sincere apologies~

[Zemen125]

LOL I agree, school is so taxing. Well personally I don't know about school but the military isn't a walk in the park. To be honest, you very correct. If a statement isn't written properly, it could so signs of conveying emotion. Especially in a debate it could be read as very aggravated. I'm no typist or even half of what is considered a writer. So I'm sure most if not all my statements aren't read friendly.
You don't have to "pass the dessert" to me. ;)
You're doing an awesome job, even if I present all the evidence in the world and all the quotes in the game to back me up, you still have managed to find a flaw. "Even the smallest pebble can defeat a giant."
I think in both cases we both are, and I'm not going down without a fight! :cool:

Hmm I don't think everyone knew who he was, at least not till he proved himself. Nabooru didn't seem to know him until she awoke as a Sage. As a kid to an adult know one recognized him or knew who he was. Ganondorf how ever did and your right, he tried to kill him as a baby that's how the whole thing started. But Ganondorf might have not cared at that point because by then he was living large in the castle. In the game Ganondorf is youthful and kinda naive. So he was probably like I kill him with the next monster or I'll do it myself. You know those prideful types, they think they are invincible, it most cases he is.
They excepted him because in the game, even though they didn't convey it very well, you proved to be a asset setting the carpenters free with your awesome ninja thief skills, or whatever you call it. They would probably like someone who can best them to use them and reap the benefits. That and he's quite the looker, I'm sure he attractive to them as well. I'm a girl and I'm a sucker for hot dudes (I'm not a fan girl so there is no need for worry), and if they can help me get rich I'm sure I would like that too! I'm sure if he asked they would do tricks for him. XD
Despite how controversial that is (I don't really care), that is probably the best analogy for it, in fact it's perfect. But whether it be christian or an hierarchy-monarchy religion whatever, it is possible to be deceived.

Hmmm, I dunno about love but they are always saying "The Great Ganondorf!" and "Ganondorf this" and "Ganondorf that" which leaves me to believe that they have some sort of infatuation with him. Besides Link just saves the carpenters at their place, if he did do something that was against their lord, I'm sure they would be on him like ugly on a gorilla or white on rice. I'm sure they have no idea what goes on at the Spirit temple, that's Ganondorf's hangout. I'm sure none of them are allowed to be there, knowing Nabooru's character she probably over stepped her boundaries, which upset Twinrova in fact. They told Link she was there if he wanted to talk to her, seeing how he is a "newcomer", they probably had no idea about his or her plans. I'm sure if Ganondorf knew Link was going to attack his home, which he hated living there anyway, he would have informed them. Twinrova wouldn't be the only one to fight him.

By the way, your not repeating yourself. You did twice but you were only trying to get the message across and get me to read and understand what you were talking about. That was probably rude of me (actually it was) to call it out. My sincere apologies~

dont worry, no offense taken/no apologies needed. im sure ive been just as rude at times lol.

no problem. this next post is more of a question and me assuming an answer. isnt twinrova created from two Gerudo or is a Geruod or something? i have read a lot of confusing stuff about that, but if they/it is a Gerudo then how come that specific creature knows about Link but the rest of the Gerudo dont. we know that nabooru is second in command but youre saying she didnt know about Link til she became a sage so why would some random Gerudo know about Link and not the second in command? i dont know i still think its fishy that none of the Gerudo really know who Link is when they see him. even if they do know about him but dont know that its him when he is there i feel like it would be hard to NOT know its him. how many other green clothed characters are running around with a sword AND a shield that has the royal family's symbols all over it? HEY I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING NEW! if the Gerudo worship Ganondorf, then they obviously know what hes trying to do (take over Hyrule). they HAVE to know what hes doing because everyone else knows, and so they obviously know anyone loyal to the royal family would be an enemy and Link clearly has a shield that has the symbol of the royal family. if they are as great of thieves as they are made out to be then they would notice how obvious it is that Link is close with the royal family and they would know that he is Ganondorfs enemy even if Ganondorf has not told them. its just like adding 2 and 2. they dont attack Link for this and even if that is because they thought he was hot, that would not be a good enough reason to disobey your "god". it should be obvious that Link is against Ganondorf just by the shield he carries. they dont attack him for this so that leads me to believe that they dont care that Link is Ganondorfs enemy which would lead me to believe that they are not against the royal family but maybe rather they are neutral, and maybe this is why the royal family does not like them. they dont do anything to stop their leader when they probably could have, and instead they just stay out of it altogether...

i just introduced a new theory and i am ready to get attacked :D

[Diligo]

dont worry, no offense taken/no apologies needed. im sure ive been just as rude at times lol.

no problem. this next post is more of a question and me assuming an answer. isnt twinrova created from two Gerudo or is a Geruod or something? i have read a lot of confusing stuff about that, but if they/it is a Gerudo then how come that specific creature knows about Link but the rest of the Gerudo dont. we know that nabooru is second in command but youre saying she didnt know about Link til she became a sage so why would some random Gerudo know about Link and not the second in command? i dont know i still think its fishy that none of the Gerudo really know who Link is when they see him. even if they do know about him but dont know that its him when he is there i feel like it would be hard to NOT know its him. how many other green clothed characters are running around with a sword AND a shield that has the royal family's symbols all over it? HEY I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING NEW! if the Gerudo worship Ganondorf, then they obviously know what hes trying to do (take over Hyrule). they HAVE to know what hes doing because everyone else knows, and so they obviously know anyone loyal to the royal family would be an enemy and Link clearly has a shield that has the symbol of the royal family. if they are as great of thieves as they are made out to be then they would notice how obvious it is that Link is close with the royal family and they would know that he is Ganondorfs enemy even if Ganondorf has not told them. its just like adding 2 and 2. they dont attack Link for this and even if that is because they thought he was hot, that would not be a good enough reason to disobey your "god". it should be obvious that Link is against Ganondorf just by the shield he carries. they dont attack him for this so that leads me to believe that they dont care that Link is Ganondorfs enemy which would lead me to believe that they are not against the royal family but maybe rather they are neutral, and maybe this is why the royal family does not like them. they dont do anything to stop their leader when they probably could have, and instead they just stay out of it altogether...

i just introduced a new theory and i am ready to get attacked :D

Well I guess this goes with being lazy but I don't feel like typing in "Kotume and Kotake" when I can refer them as one makes it easier on me.
As for the creatures thing, you can categorize it in two ways. The creatures are very wild or they are minions that attack every thing and anything. When you play TP you have to help the wagon across the land and they attack with no explicit reason. Even before you set off Telma mentions that there are beasties out there and it's dangerous. To be honest I think they are stupid, violent, brutes. With the exception of the mail man he is very fast and has chicken legs.
I'm not sure why or why wouldn't Ganondorf tell his girls to be on the look out. He is either very stupid and prideful figured he could take care of it himself. Or the girls knew about it and didn't know what to expect, certainly not a kid running around doing whatever. Or maybe they thought he was a royal family messenger come to ally with them. As to what the real answer is I don't know I can only speculate. Or maybe they don't care seeing how their god is know the King of Hyrule and he can't really be stopped, besides he's kid to them the Great Ganondorf will open a can of whoop-a** on him he's not a threat.
Here is another one, think about it this whole time Ganondorf was in Hyrule the whole time maybe he never came back to the Fortress that is why his ladies are still there. He can teleport and fly he would have to make a pit stop to the Fortress on the way to the Hangout (aka. Spirit Temple).
As to the real answer I can't provided I don't know but I can say this is that from my point of view they acted as if they didn't know who he was so I assume that they weren't prepaid for him. Although if Ganondorf did take the time to say "Look out for a punk kid running around in green he is a MAJOR THREAT."
To Ganondorf I doubt he thought Link to be any kind of threat. In fact I don't think Ganondorf thought Link was the baby he tried to kill those so many years ago. He knew about it didn't know it would be him, he probably though he did in the baby.
But then again you do talk to him in the forest temple so he probably did know who Link was... Maybe he didn't think Link would get that far, or maybe he remained in Hyrule on the throne. I really don't know, the game never stated, it just hints.

[Zemen125]

Well I guess this goes with being lazy but I don't feel like typing in "Kotume and Kotake" when I can refer them as one makes it easier on me.
As for the creatures thing, you can categorize it in two ways. The creatures are very wild or they are minions that attack every thing and anything. When you play TP you have to help the wagon across the land and they attack with no explicit reason. Even before you set off Telma mentions that there are beasties out there and it's dangerous. To be honest I think they are stupid, violent, brutes. With the exception of the mail man he is very fast and has chicken legs.
I'm not sure why or why wouldn't Ganondorf tell his girls to be on the look out. He is either very stupid and prideful figured he could take care of it himself. Or the girls knew about it and didn't know what to expect, certainly not a kid running around doing whatever. Or maybe they thought he was a royal family messenger come to ally with them. As to what the real answer is I don't know I can only speculate. Or maybe they don't care seeing how their god is know the King of Hyrule and he can't really be stopped, besides he's kid to them the Great Ganondorf will open a can of whoop-a** on him he's not a threat.
Here is another one, think about it this whole time Ganondorf was in Hyrule the whole time maybe he never came back to the Fortress that is why his ladies are still there. He can teleport and fly he would have to make a pit stop to the Fortress on the way to the Hangout (aka. Spirit Tem