Ocarina of Time "Mirror Shield"

[Onilink89]

for people who played oot both on n64 and gc may have noticed that the design on mirror shield has changed. personally i don 't know why nintendo changed the symbol, because i liked the old symbol. (apperently not only the logo is changed but more things in the game where also changed)

now i read about this issue, something about a protest. as most of u know the crescent moon and the star resembles the logo of the islam (there are more things in the game thats also from other cultures) and they (don't know who "they "are) protested against it. i'm also a muslim, i think its nonsense.

about the new logo (gc version) after i saw it looked really familiar but i could not figure out why. its as if i seen that logo before somewhere. if somebody knows that please tell me.

Old design
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j177/SwordlessLink/oldmirrorshield.jpg
New design
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j177/SwordlessLink/newmirrorshield.jpg

So which Design is better?

[linkman8]

Personally I like the new design better. I know what you mean about that symbol on the new one, but I just can't think of where I've seen it! If I find out I'll report back.

[Avenged]

The old design fits in well since its the original and all. See Nintendo fo America has been f'n things up with the Zelda series due to religous culture since LoZ. AlttP isnt actually named A Link to the past (which is one reason why I laugh at those trying to make out what that title really means) its true name is Triforce of the Gods. They didnt want the name 'gods' in the title here in the US due to it being offensive to certain people. Its the same scenerio with this mirror shield as onilink stated. Even the freakin original theme music from the Fire Temple was taken out since it too was Islam related...

I personally liked the design of th AlttP one the best, oh and that symbol on the redesgined OoT Mirror Shiled is the Gerudo symbol.

[Onilink89]

The old design fits in well since its the original and all. See Nintendo fo America has been f'n things up with the Zelda series due to religous culture since LoZ. AlttP isnt actually named A Link to the past (which is one reason why I laugh at those trying to make out what that title really means) its true name is Triforce of the Gods. They didnt want the name 'gods' in the title here in the US due to it being offensive to certain people. Its the same scenerio with this mirror shield as onilink stated. Even the freakin original theme music from the Fire Temple was taken out since it too was Islam related...

I personally liked the design of th AlttP one the best, oh and that symbol on the redesgined OoT Mirror Shiled is the Gerudo symbol.


yeah i know some things where changed, i also know about the fire temple and firece deity mask. the fire temple music resembled the prayer chant of the islam. really as i said before, i'm also a muslim but muslim-people critisize 2 much. ok 2 show the face of mohhamed is one thing, thats logical because its forbiddin in our religion. but small things like this has 2 stop. a other thing that pisses me off is also if they do it theirselfs then nothing is wrong. even in turkisch tv channels, they are making commercials about ringtones about a remixed version of the muslim chant.

also the fierce deity mask was called the Kanji mask(japanese) translated to demonic G*d mask (if i'm not mistakaken) so they changed it to fierce deity. onilink means demon-link so it sounds logical.
also in the earlier versions of oot ganondorf coughed up red blood and they changed it to green blood(making it fictional) just because its not T-rated.

i also know about link to the past a.k.a Triforce of the gods. it up to the people if they believe in G*d or not, i mean we are born as indaviduals right? if you are being so offended by the line "triforce of the gods" then don 't buy the frigging game then.

so Avenged i agree with you about this, really some people (i mean the ones who are against it) need to loosen up.

as for the gerudo symbol, i really think that i saw that somewhere before, maybe in a other nintendo game (except for soul calibur2 gc version, that design is also used there).

[RyanNope]

The 'new' symbol was originally on ganondorf's cape

[Kybyrian]

I like the old design better. The second design, it just seems weird because it's really nothing at all. Whereas the design on the first one actually makes a bit sense, and it just looks a bit better to me.

[Alder Dragon]

The old design actually really resembles the islamic crescent and star symbol:

http://www.success.co.il/knowledge/images/Supernatural-Islam-Moon.jpg

And Nintendo was forced to take it out upon later releases of OoT for the N64 and on the Gamecube as well. I like both designs, but I think I like the first one better.

[Kybyrian]

Forced to take it out due to religion issues? =\ I don't see why that's such a big deal, I mean, it's just a video game. And heck they even have Goddesses on Zelda.

[zeypherlink]

I actually liked the old design better...the Cresent and Star is something I've never forgotten from the Zelda series.

[Avenged]

I like the old design better. The second design, it just seems weird because it's really nothing at all. Whereas the design on the first one actually makes a bit sense, and it just looks a bit better to me.

It was the Gerudo symbol and yes Im sure its also on Ganondorfs cape seeing as he is a gerudo and all. And yes, due to religous disputes, as I said before they changed the name Triforce of the Gods to A Link to the Past. And in pretty much every Zelda game,in game text/storylines were also changed in the english version to avoid certain topics. And well Goddesses are seen as a myth, a *** is actual religion.

[Kybyrian]

A Goddess is a female ***, so it's pretty much the same thing, except for the gender.

The Gerudo symbol, eh? Well I don't like it xD

Meh, I guess some people can be offended by that aspect.

[Onilink89]

Forced to take it out due to religion issues? =\ I don't see why that's such a big deal, I mean, it's just a video game. And heck they even have Goddesses on Zelda.

i agree with you 100%.

i don 't see the christians complaining about something like this.
http://www.ezthemes.com/previews/l/loz1.jpg

and that symbol is used like in extreme gore violent games like devil may cry.
its just a symbol, since when do we need copyright premission for symbols that has a religous meaning.

[Avenged]

i agree with you 100%.

i don 't see the christians complaining about something like this.
http://www.ezthemes.com/previews/l/loz1.jpg

and that symbol is used like in extreme gore violent games like devil may cry.
its just a symbol, since when do we need copyright premission for symbols that has a religous meaning.


It isnt copyright permission, its just the whole fact on how politically correct America has to be, namely NOA. As I said...the original games have all the original names and aspects to them in japan. Hyrule Fantasy (dunno why this was changed outside of japan), Legend of Zelda 2 - Adventure of Link (same deal), Triforce of the Gods, Dreaming Island, etc etc etc.

[Onilink89]

uuhm avenged i meant the whole copyright thing sarcasticly, but anyway whats NOA?

[Avenged]

Nintendo...of...America.

[Kybyrian]

Apparently it's just the other countries being all tight up about this religion thing. I don't see why it's such a big deal. It's not like it's discriminating a religion or anything like that. I wish I had the Japanese version >.>

[Onilink89]

Apparently it's just the other countries being all tight up about this religion thing. I don't see why it's such a big deal. It's not like it's discriminating a religion or anything like that. I wish I had the Japanese version >.>

it isn 't a big deal. i'm also a muslim and the only big deal within our religion would be (for example) displaying mohammed his face. for me, i don 't care i mean nobdy knows his real face looks like.

anyway you know about that the fire temple theme that was changed due it sounded like the prayer chant of the islam. man the muslims itself make remixed ringtones of that prayer chant. so first they complain like "that haram haram haram" but if they do it theirselfs its not haram anymore.

Note: haram means forbidden/sacred

[zeypherlink]

It isnt copyright permission, its just the whole fact on how politically correct America has to be, namely NOA. As I said...the original games have all the original names and aspects to them in japan. Hyrule Fantasy (dunno why this was changed outside of japan), Legend of Zelda 2 - Adventure of Link (same deal), Triforce of the Gods, Dreaming Island, etc etc etc.
Well I think it also might have something to do with the names of the games...

Link's Awakening > Dreaming Island

[Avenged]

Uhm yes, it is named Dreaming Island rather than LA.

[Onilink89]

Uhm yes, it is named Dreaming Island rather than LA.
what was the problem with "Dreaming island" why did they change the name.
i knew the original name of Alttp but i don 't see a reason why they changed the name of LA.

[Avenged]

Nothing reaslly, just like Hyrule Fantasy and The Legend of Zelda 2 - AoL...Take MM, out here its Majora's Mask, out there its Mask of Majula (Majora)..every Zelda game is actually different in English that its japanese original.

[Alder Dragon]

I don't want this to turn into a religious discussion, but I think NOA was just playing it safe. I don't think they wanted to turn away people because of that design (which would be just stupid) but I guess some people are like that.

[Onilink89]

if they wanted to play it safe then the original logo would not be there in the first place.
the american and european version alwajs goes trough adjusments before they are released.
so the only reason i can think of is that some group complained about it.

[LegendZ]

i think the old one has a better symbolic choice, and meaning. I prefere the old one.

[Phantom Link]

But... I think the "new" symbol was on pushable/pullable blocks, right? :huh:

[Mehplep]

But... I think the "new" symbol was on pushable/pullable blocks, right? :huh:

Yeah, and it's also the symbol for the Gerudos. However, the old symbol can also be found on floorswitches...

[Avenged]

But... I think the "new" symbol was on pushable/pullable blocks, right? :huh:

As said before, it is the GERUDO symbol. Makes sense since it was found in the GERUDO desert, aka Desert Collosus.

[Abyss Master]

I can honestly say that the old appeals more to me, because it looks more "mysterious" and "magical". Don't ask how I can make that out of a shield, it's just how I feel about it ^^;

[toon_link47]

I like the new design, but I don't know why. It IS kinda odd that they changed it. I could've sworn I had that design in my copy of the N64 game though...

[The Zelda Master]

The old design was on all the pushable blocks and such throughout the game, why the same symbol on the Mirror Sheild would be on blocks that can even be found in the Deku tree, beyond th fatc that, yes everyone, it is in fact a game and Nintendo probably merely made one pushable block actor then gave it different sizes and colors. It was chnaged for the aformentioned reasons, etc. Whatever, I chose the first design 'cause i liked it better. *shrugs* just nastolgia i guess.

[Y2K3]

I noticed that they changed it on the blocks, but I never paid attention to the design on the shield, so I hadn't noticed that.
I have to say, on the blocks, I much prefer the old design, but for the shield, I'm not sure which one I like better.

[Jirrup]

I like the new design better. I've nothing against the Moon and Star, but the new one looks more interesting.

I don't see why people complained about the Islamic side to it though. NES Link had the Christian symbol on his shield, and there were no complaits there.

[dark_link01]

Definitely the old one is better. The new design looks like Koume and Kotake's face.

[MajoraKing12]

it was hard for me to choose but i like the old better because of the cool design.i don't remmber what temple do you get it from?

[Twilight warrior]

I like the new design better it looks cooler for some reason to me.

[EponaOwns]

I like the original version better. On the newer one it doesn't suit link or the rest of the shield

[Inflexus]

The new one is more appealing, but it looks like it serves no real purpose, so I'd have to say the old one is better.

Wait, isn't that design Ganon's logo or something?

[twili123prince]

i like the first one

[Avenged]

The new one is more appealing, but it looks like it serves no real purpose, so I'd have to say the old one is better.

Wait, isn't that design Ganon's logo or something?

Its the Gerudo symbol.

[Inflexus]

Its the Gerudo symbol.

Do the Gerudo's use it anywhere else? I've only seen it with Ganon and dungeons, especially with Wind Waker if I recall.

[Mercedes]

Do the Gerudo's use it anywhere else? I've only seen it with Ganon and dungeons, especially with Wind Waker if I recall.

You know when you go into Gerudo Valley? Its on that sign hanging across the entrance and its also above that...cave where you get the Ice Arrows. =]

Looking at the 2nd design, you can see there's a differance in Graphics slightly but that makes a big differance; compared to the first one, the second symbol is really drab and doesn't look as shiny. Just looks plonked there. >.<

[Alkarius]

New design. Looks more classy. I know I've seen that symbol before though.

[El Bagu]

The old version shield looks more mysterious, exotic somehow, it is almost a masterpiece!!

[Kintenbo]

Didn't the sheild design and the original Fire Temple music change because it angered the Islamic people? That's what I heard, at least for the Fire Temple change anyway. Here's the original for those who don't know: http://youtube.com/watch?v=JDcQVzu_kc8

[Y2K3]

For the Fire Temple, I much prefer the newer version.
The chanting on the on the removed version honestly scares me.